Episode 39

Butterflies from Beyond

Published on: 23rd December, 2024

In this deeply moving and magical episode, Dr. Lauren, a veterinarian specializing in end-of-life care and in-home euthanasia, shares her extraordinary journey of discovering her gift as an animal communicator.

The conversation explores the profound connection between humans and their pets, the beauty and heartbreak of saying goodbye, and the unexplainable moments of intuition and messages that transcend the physical world.

With stories of love, loss, and even a butterfly message from Erika’s beloved dog Archer, this episode offers a heartfelt reflection on grief, healing, and the enduring bond between animals and their people.

A must-listen for anyone who’s ever loved—and lost—a pet.

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Transcript
Speaker:

Welcome to Clover Club, a podcast

about curious conversations and stories

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intended to make you laugh and learn.

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I'm your host, Erica.

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And today, wow, I'm excited.

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I am joined by somebody that I've.

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Tried to kneel down for a podcast several

times and thank God she's finally here.

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Dr.

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Lauren.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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It is embarrassing how long it

has taken me to get here and I'm

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so beyond excited to be here.

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I am so glad it's been just like the

funniest little comedy of, of life

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things that have gotten in the way.

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But, um, I find when that happens

with guests that we end up recording

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on the exact day that we're supposed

to, and there's a couple things that

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I've been into in the last 48 hours

that I think will actually enhance

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this conversation we're about love it.

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And I was actually thinking

about that earlier.

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I was like, oh, this is the

perfect time to be talking to Dr.

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Lauren.

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So it is all good.

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Yay.

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, so Lauren, will you briefly tell our

listeners who you are and what you do?

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Yes.

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So it's really.

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complicated and also

not complicated at all.

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So , I live in Atlanta.

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I am a mom of two.

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I'm a veterinarian and I specifically work

with pets during their end of lifetime.

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Oh, and I'm an animal communicator.

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And that is like, I don't even know that

I have like so solidly set out loud.

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Like I am a, um, it's a big deal.

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It's a big deal.

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And it's, it's like a little

nerve wracking to say, and

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it is 100 percent true.

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I am really thrilled to help, , give

a platform and a voice to the work

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that you're doing, because I know.

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Personally, how valuable it is.

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, and a little backstory of how

I became connected with Dr.

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Lauren is if you listen to this podcast

at all, you know, that earlier this

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year, I lost the love of my life, Archer.

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And, uh, a couple of weeks after he had

passed away, a friend of mine, one of

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our mutual friends, um, reached out to

me and said, Hey, I don't know if this

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is something that you'd be into, but, um.

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I suspect it may, and I'm just going to

give you the number of a pet psychic.

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And if you feel like you want to talk or

connect with Archer, I can vouch for her.

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And I'm super into this stuff.

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So no part of me was like, I don't know.

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Like I immediately was like, I

absolutely believe this is real.

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And because of that, I was so like, I

was like, I'm not, I'm just not ready.

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Cause I was so deeply in the

beginnings of my grief journey.

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But a couple months later,

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it became clear that I was in a place

where I could have a call like that

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without just like sobbing the entire time.

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Instead I sobbed for half of it.

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Um, but I reached out to you and we had.

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The most amazing call and a little bit

into this all I'll go into more detail

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about that, but immediately I was

like, Dr Lauren is the fucking shit.

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This is amazing And I've referred

you to so many people some of which

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I know have chatted with you and then

also are referring you to people So

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something that I'm curious about that

you'd Already referenced in your intro

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is you started off as a vet, right?

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And when I went to your website,

I didn't see anything about the

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pet communication, which I liked.

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Um, cause I was like, I think that

there's a lot of people in this.

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industry that are predatory and, uh,

not that it shouldn't be something

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that you, uh, have on there, but I'm

sure for somebody who didn't start off

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this way and you started off in a more

scientific aspect of pet care, this is

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kind of, uh, an interesting crossroads

in your practice, I would think.

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Absolutely, you know, in my, , like,

by nature, I am so left brained and

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scientific and need proof of things.

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And then all of a sudden I'm in this

world of quote psychics or mediums.

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And I'm like, wait a

second, like, is this real?

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Can I do this?

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How do I marry the two of these?

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How do I, Maintain integrity with what

I do and introduce this thing that I

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know that is real and is happening.

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So I don't even remember exactly the

question you asked, but yeah, it is like,

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that is exactly what I'm knee deep in

right this minute is how to just move

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forward with two paths that I know I

need to be on both of them at the same

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time and need to bring them together.

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Yeah.

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, tell me this, did you

start off in just like a.

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For lack of better terms, like classic

veteran veterinary practice and then

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evolve into the end of life care.

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100%.

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So, , I, when I was in high school

knew I was like, oh, I'm going to

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be a human doctor, human physician.

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That's what I wanted to do all the way

up through my junior year in college.

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And at that point, my

cat got hit by a car.

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Oh God, I know it was awful.

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And the veterinarian who was helping her.

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Ended up saving her life.

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Oh, good.

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And I went like, Oh, okay.

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I can help people by helping their pets.

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And I'd always been an animal lover.

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And so it was just like the

perfect marriage of that.

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And so then I went to vet school

and after vet school, I did mixed

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animal with cows and horses and all

the things, and then moved to just

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small animals and then emergency.

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And then about 10 years into my

practice moved into end of life care.

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Okay.

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, I do, do you know what a death cafe is?

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No.

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Okay, so at Death Cafe, this is a

nationwide, maybe even like a worldwide

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thing, um, but there are these like

meetups basically for people to

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gather and to talk about death and

grief in kind of a, , Just kind of

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open, earnest way and just kind of

D not desensitizing because it's a

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very sensitive thing, but normalizing

conversation around that stigmatized.

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Yeah, I

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went to one of these last week and I

am somebody who, uh, unfortunately, I

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know quite a few people who have passed

and, um, uh, it's, there's lessons

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wrapped up in all of those experiences,

but I, I think I have, I had taken for

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granted that if you haven't had that

experience personally, death and grief

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is such a scary thing to acknowledge,

to talk about, and all of that.

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And there was an interesting

range of people at this group.

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Um, some people who were like, I'm

just really curious about that,

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this, and I realized I'm so scared.

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Um, and I was so scared of even thinking

about it that I wanted to come and just

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kind of explore this other people who

were fresh off the loss of a parent

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or, you know, pets and loved ones.

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There was quite a spectrum, but the way

that it's structured is there's three

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rounds and each round they kind of

mix up and there was, I don't know, 20

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people there, they mix up the groups.

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The first round is kind of like a entry

level kind of soft questions like if

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you were a ghost, where would you haunt?

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And it's like, okay, that's

a fun thing to chat about.

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, and then each round the questions get

a little deeper and more intense, but.

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One of the questions was Veterinarians

have the highest suicide rate

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of any medical profession,

which I thought was dentists.

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Um used to be yeah And I didn't know

that but to me it makes sense and I

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knew Um, and I answered this question in

this, in this death cafe thing, because

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people were saying some crazy stuff and

I was like, that's not why, um, I know

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from my experience with Archer at the

emergency vet, the connection I had with

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a vet who was telling me the bad news

and who was, you know, in assisting me

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and him through this process, I remember

this moment of looking in her eyes and

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like we were both, you can't, you can't

put a barrier between that experience.

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Um, and as a hairdresser, I

know that when you're around

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intense emotions with your, Yeah.

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Customers, um, you can't always

take that off when you get home.

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And I would imagine, and please

tell me if I'm off track here,

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that that's like a very heavy

thing that, that stays with you.

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Absolutely.

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So, uh, how did you become

comfortable not just being around

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that, but like diving deep into it?

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Yeah, that's such a great question.

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So a few different things.

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I left.

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general practice and moved into end of

life care for so many of the reasons

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, that veterinarians choose suicide.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So there are, there are some really heavy

things that veterinarians deal with and

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I was ready to do something different.

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And so I knew I either need to

find a niche in veterinary medicine

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that I can continue in, uh, Or

I need to leave the profession.

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Um, it was to that point for me.

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And so I had been told that I needed

to get back to why I became a vet.

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And for me, that was when I could help

families as much as I could help the pets.

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And so I started thinking about when

that time was for me, and it was in

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sitting with families during the time

that their pet was going to pass away.

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Yeah.

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And so for me, I have, learned that I

can sit with a family and sit with a

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pet and allow all of those emotions.

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I don't block them at all, but allow

all of those motions to flow Through

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me so that when I walk out the door,

I'm able to just let them stay and,

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you know, but be fully present.

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So it's one of those like beautiful

mixtures of an opportunity in my life

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to be fully, fully present, but also

to leave behind what I can't carry

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with me because if I did carry all of

that with me, it would be overwhelming.

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I could only imagine.

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And prior to, uh,

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, not as much as a lot of people,

so I was fortunate at that point

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to still have, , three of my four

grandparents, so I had experienced,

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oh, wow, no, that's not true at all.

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I love when this happens in a question,

you're like, actually, actually, no, okay.

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I had actually had, A pretty

deep experience with grief.

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So I don't have to share any details.

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No, I don't mind at all.

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So, I mean, I guess people automatically

at that age go to their grandparents

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and I had lost one of my four.

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And so, so many people talked about

like, Oh, you're so lucky to still

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have three of your four grandparents.

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But when I was 13, , A friend of

mine who was also 13 passed away.

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She and her dad passed

away in a car accident.

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It was terrible.

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And I, because, , like we went to church,

I went to church at that time and I

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sat in the congregation and I watched

her mom sit in the choir and grieve.

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And so I watched her mom

grieve over a couple of years.

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And I think it had an incredibly profound,

like it was a profound experience in that.

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I was able to watch her and know

on a deep soul level that I could

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get through anything in my life.

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If she could get through that,

I could get through anything.

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And it was not, I mean, grief

is not pretty, you know?

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I mean, I watched her with this physical

manifestation of grief and it, it just

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gave me so many permissions to know that

that's like an experience that we all,

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Um, and then knowing that I would be able

to get through it when that happened.

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That's a really powerful

takeaway from observing.

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, cause everyone grieves so differently,

, but it's not linear and it's not optional.

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Those two things I know are true.

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Absolutely.

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And I wonder, so when I was, I was

either 13 or 14, my uncle died by suicide

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and, uh, My mom might be listening to

this, so sorry, but I think she would

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also agree with this next statement.

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My family doesn't really handle

things well, and or not at all.

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Right.

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And so that was a very lonely experience

and a very confusing experience, and

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I think that when you have something

like that happen to you at that

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age, it really shifts the narrative.

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Your trajectory, um, it

shatters that kind of, you know,

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romanticized like childhood life.

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Like I know that was like a,

for my whole family, just a big

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bookmark in the chapter of, of us.

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Um, and you can never go back to the

chapters prior to that happening.

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And I always am fascinated by people

who take experiences like that.

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And, uh, Fully delve into

it, you know, cause I think

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there's a lot of beauty in it.

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Um, once the pain subsides, of course,

but the lessons that are there are

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invaluable and, and the framework

it can give you moving forward in

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future dynamics and relationships,

I have found very beneficial.

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And then in future instances of losing

people, it was like, Oh, I remember this.

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I know how this goes.

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, uh, where it can be jarring, but

Prior to having that first experience.

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But I do think there's something about

when it happens to you for the first time

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when you're young, and especially when

it's not a grandparent where it's like,

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Oh, they lived a long, healthy life.

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When it's something tragic like that,

it just kind of, for me, just like

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snapped me into another paradigm.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, I think that makes complete sense.

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Yeah.

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And I wonder, So I've always felt called,

and I think I've mentioned this in past

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episodes to you, to be a death doula.

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Right.

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Which is essentially what you're

doing, except for you're a doctor also.

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100%.

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No, it is very much so.

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You know, any veterinarian can

give the drugs that I give.

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Any veterinarian knows how to do that.

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It's the soft skills That are associated

with it that that make it my calling

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and also make, you know, hopefully

what I do, like help me to be able to

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support the families that are with me.

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So no, I think it's exactly what I do.

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Yeah, that's so incredible.

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And so you had, sorry, you said

you've been doing that for about

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a decade, the end of life care.

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Yes.

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So you had that.

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And then tell me how this, um, Yeah.

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Um, extrasensory processing

started to come on the scene.

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Right.

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So I would say that I first started

to notice something unusual,

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I'll just say that, when I was

working in the emergency room.

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So my technician would come back,

they would say, here's the pet.

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They would give me a little bit of history

and I would walk in the room and I would

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kind of already have an idea of what

I thought was going on with the pet.

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And of course, yeah,

I've read the history.

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I mean, there's a few clues.

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But also I would know things that

like maybe I shouldn't know, you

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know, do you have an example of that?

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Not necessarily for that.

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Okay.

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But then when I started to go into

families homes for end of life care,

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it started happening more often.

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Okay.

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And, and we can definitely go back

to why I think that was happening.

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So I do remember sitting with a family

on Christmas Eve and, you know, we

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were saying goodbye to their pet.

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, all of a sudden in my head, I'm

like, why am I seeing a red ball?

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Like, this is weird.

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And so I was just like, so

tell me about red balls.

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And they like got so excited.

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And then they told me that like,

this was their pet's favorite toy.

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And I was like, okay,

there's something here.

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Like this is not.

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Like, there's something here.

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And then I remember another time,

, sitting with a family and he was talking

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about a pet that had passed previously.

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And he pointed to a picture of the dog

and he said, she passed away because

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of, and in my head I heard seizures.

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And then he said seizures.

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And I was like, okay.

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I like, okay.

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You know, you know, it wasn't

cancer or heart disease or

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like what a super common thing.

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And so it was those examples that

made me say there really is something

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here and I want to explore it further.

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That's so cool.

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Yeah.

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Did you find in other facets

of your life you are also extra

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sensitive or was it specific to pets?

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So it is.

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It's only now that I kind of know how I

receive messages that I realize that In

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some ways I walk around like that all the

time, you know, and it comes to me mostly,

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I keep touching my chest as we're talking.

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It comes to me mostly in feelings.

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Um, and so yes, in some ways I

do kind of pick up on things.

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And also like Erica, don't worry,

like I'm not like in your brain,

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you know, I mean, it's okay.

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It's fun in here.

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I walk, right.

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I walk around and, Also, I'm

kind of intentionally turned off

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because I cannot take on everything

that I, that is around me.

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It would be incredibly overwhelming.

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I could only imagine.

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So, uh, were you ever scared or

uncomfortable as you started to

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notice this pattern of knowing?

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That's a great question too.

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So for me, If we have like this line

and like over on the left side is

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completely off where like I'm not

receiving any messages whatsoever.

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And then on the other side is completely

on where everything is inundating.

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I think if I were further to the side

of always on, it would be terrifying.

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But because I'm on the side of everything

is off, it's not because I'm very

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intentional about what I allow in.

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And so for me, no, the scary

part is talking about it with

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other people because, you

know, you get some weird looks.

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So, yeah.

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But I think that's, yeah.

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Reflects more on the person

giving you the weird look than

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you being the person receiving it.

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I agree.

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Um, how,, will you walk us through what

the process was like of fine tuning this?

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Yes, so fine tuning it for me came

down to needing to have a teacher.

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Okay, so I decided.

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Like there was just one day that

I was like, I am going to do this.

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I'm going to move forward with it.

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And I knew for me that I needed somebody

that could say, step one, do this.

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Step two, do this.

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And so I started looking for animal

communication classes online and I was

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like, oh, there's nothing like you type

it in and there's like five things.

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Yeah.

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So I went through all their websites

and then finally I was like, oh, Dr.

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Kara, is my person.

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So she is out of California.

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She's a PhD biologist.

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Our brains work the same way.

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And she had a step by step

program to teach you to

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become an animal communicator.

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And the thing is she, and I also believe

like, This is not just a gift, like it is

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a, it is something that you can, anybody

can learn, but you have to be willing

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to go through all the steps to learn it.

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Mm-hmm . And then there are people

that are probably more gifted

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at it once they've learned it.

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And so it was working through,

, her coursework that helped a

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ton and the majority of the

hard part of her coursework.

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Is working through those mental

and emotional and spiritual blocks.

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Yes.

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Uh, like this is scary to

talk about kind of thing.

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And that was a huge block for me.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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, , earlier in our recording, I

referenced that the timing of

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this podcast was a little, um, Uh,

there's a synchronicity in that.

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I have been for the last two

days, knee deep into a podcast

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series called the telepathy tapes.

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Are you familiar with it?

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Oh, good.

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I'm so excited.

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Um, are you a podcast person

other than being on one right now?

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Some, somewhat, somewhat.

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Okay.

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Um, well.

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This is a podcast series that I noticed

kept popping up on my social media and I

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finally, I didn't know anything about it.

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I just knew it was called the Telepathy

Tapes and the title was intriguing to

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me, but I didn't know it was about.

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I just pressed play.

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This is a series that has

blown my fucking mind.

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It is about the connection between

nonverbal autistic Children and adults

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who are telepathically communicating

with each other, their parents.

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So you're familiar with this.

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It just doesn't surprise me at all.

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It's, it's unbelievable.

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It is unbelievable.

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And these tests that they do in the, in

the people who are involved are skeptics.

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Like their, their goal is to prove

that this isn't real and they

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are getting quite the opposite.

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Right.

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It is so.

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It is so.

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I mean, multiple episodes, I've like

gotten full body chills or just like

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burst into tears because it's such, what

this implies is so serious and so cool.

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And think everybody should listen

to it, especially if you're a

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skeptic, the telepathy tapes.

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But one way that they phrased it,

that really resonated with me was

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consciousness isn't a thing necessarily

that we're creating in our brains.

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It is just a collective.

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Thing that exists and if we think of our

brains as iPhones, we all have kind of,

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you know, The majority of us I should say

have the default apps that are downloaded

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Some of us have other apps and some of

us can talk to each other in ways That

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others can't because we don't have these

apps and when I thought of it is just

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like a simple tech Analogy like that.

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I was like, oh my god, that

just makes so much sense.

396

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Totally I love that, right?

397

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Like I absolutely believe

that Time isn't linear.

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Like there's all of this, this field of

knowledge that is totally accessible.

399

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And they, they dive into people

who, uh, you know, savants and the

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overlap between, uh, non speaking

individuals and savant tendencies and,

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:

you know, knowing languages, multiple

languages they've never learned.

402

:

It's like there, there is

this collective consciousness.

403

:

I think science has proven that

as much as it can be proven.

404

:

Um, but I think.

405

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I think more and more people are

feeling either more comfortable or more

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:

curious exploring these types of things.

407

:

And it's not the taboo that, of course

there still is, but, but we're, we're

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really moving forward and there's

just so many interesting things

409

:

happening in the world right now.

410

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We've got, you know, these UAPs over

New Jersey and all of the world.

411

:

There's, I feel like we're on the

precipice of kind of understanding

412

:

the world that we live in, in a

way that we never have before.

413

:

And I think that what you do is so.

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In all of that.

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:

Yeah.

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:

I totally agree with you completely.

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It's so cool.

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:

Um, shameless plug for that podcast.

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I'm like, I don't know that lady,

but it's just like the work that

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she's, the work that she's doing

is just so, so, so incredible.

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, so you, uh, you realize you have this

gift, you, uh, Came to terms with

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that and decided to lean into it.

423

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You got some training on how to, , have

boundaries with it and access it and,

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and kind of be more in control of it.

425

:

How long have you been in a space

where you've been actively working

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on that branch of your practice?

427

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That's a great question.

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I keep saying that.

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Um, so

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two years ago, I started.

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with the coursework.

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Okay.

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And then I worked on the

coursework for probably a year.

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And then I think that there was a

part of me that was just like, Ooh,

435

:

I'm going to hold back and maybe

I don't really want to do this.

436

:

Yeah.

437

:

And then January of this year I

was like, okay, let's dive in.

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:

Let's do it.

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:

And so that was when I really like

recommitted within myself and started

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opening myself up to readings and,

and working with people and I did

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:

50 just general readings and then

I am finishing up my final 50.

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:

So over the last year I've done

at least a hundred readings with

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with pets and their families.

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:

That's so cool.

445

:

It is so cool.

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:

God, that's so cool.

447

:

I want to share a story about

our reading, if that's okay.

448

:

Yes.

449

:

Um, with a follow up that

I haven't shared with you.

450

:

Um, which is just so insane.

451

:

Um, so, and I'm going to try

to do this without crying.

452

:

You're fine.

453

:

I'm not in that headspace, but

you know, this topic just gets me.

454

:

So, one thing , that I wanted to say

earlier, and, and you can choose if

455

:

you include this or not, so, I have

found that I can't remember details.

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:

Ah.

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:

So, I remember you, and I remember

talking about Archer, and talking about

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:

Luna, and I don't remember the details

of any of it for any of my readings.

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:

That makes sense.

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:

I do, and so.

461

:

I'm super, super excited and interested

to hear all about this part of it.

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:

Oh, fabulous.

463

:

Okay.

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:

Well, in that case, here we go.

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:

, starting the day that Archer died

and, uh, uh, for anyone listening

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:

who doesn't know this was, he was 14

and a half years old, but his, his

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:

passing was very sudden and unexpected.

468

:

So it was the worst.

469

:

, but starting the day that I lost him,

I started seeing these big butterflies.

470

:

And it's not like I've never seen a

butterfly in my life, but these were

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:

just kind of irrefutable, like very

obvious, like giant butterflies flying

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:

up to the window type of situation.

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Butterfly bumper stickers on cars.

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:

I mean, it was just butterflies,

butterflies, butterflies.

475

:

Um, and I'm not even a butterfly person.

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:

, but I just, uh, And this goes

back to the intuition stuff.

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It's like, I just knew

that they were from Archer.

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:

Um, and if people think that sounds crazy,

I didn't care because I fucking knew.

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:

Um, uh,, more like, you know, the same

way I know what color my eyes are.

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It was like the most deep knowing that

this is from my boy and he's sending

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me these to let me know that he's okay.

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:

And that he's still, his

energy is still here.

483

:

, Moving forward, I continue

to see butterflies.

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:

, there, there were a ton, it

was like supercharged the

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:

three days around his passing.

486

:

And then it got to be a little bit

more kind of here and there, but at

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:

very meaningful and poignant times.

488

:

So I've also referenced that Luna and I

had a very hard time together missing him.

489

:

And so I bought a standup paddle

board that was designed for dogs.

490

:

And the first time I took Luna out,

this big white butterfly came and

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:

landed down on the paddle board.

492

:

And I remember just.

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:

Again, knowing like Archer is here with

us and God, it was just, I wish I had

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:

had my phone on me, but I didn't cause my

hands were full, but it was just such a

495

:

beautiful moment and it just, it forced

me to be really present in that moment.

496

:

And so just, it was just beautiful.

497

:

So anyways, that, , was our thing.

498

:

And so before my call with you.

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:

And I had been talking to Archer.

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:

I like he was still around cause he is

still around cause he still is around.

501

:

Yeah, absolutely.

502

:

Um, uh, and so, yeah, so I was just like,

Oh, well I'll just like act like, you

503

:

know, like this relationship is still

ongoing cause I believe that it is.

504

:

Um, and so we were, we had been

talking and before my call with Dr.

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:

Lauren, I said, Archer, I need you

to do me a favor and, uh, If this is

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:

legit, and it's not that I doubted

you, but I totally understand.

507

:

You know, I like a little, you know,

a little reassurance, reassurance.

508

:

Um, uh, I said, please tell her

to tell me about the butterflies.

509

:

And then we started our call and

there were a million things you

510

:

picked up on that I hadn't told the

person that had referred you to me.

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:

I hadn't told any had never

posted about publicly.

512

:

I mean, you, you just knew.

513

:

And so immediately I was

like, okay, this is legit.

514

:

, and.

515

:

I had kind of like forgotten that I

had asked for that butterfly queue.

516

:

, and maybe halfway through our reading,

you paused and you were like, um,

517

:

he wants me to, this is so intense.

518

:

Um, he wants me to show you something,

but I, I know how important this is.

519

:

And he's telling me how important

this is that I get this right.

520

:

So I just want to like, take a

second and check back in and make

521

:

sure I'm getting the right thing.

522

:

And I was like, okay.

523

:

And, uh, you took a second and you

were Is he sending you butterflies?

524

:

And I, uh, lost my mind.

525

:

And I started crying.

526

:

And you thought I was crying

because you got it wrong.

527

:

I did.

528

:

I remember this so clearly.

529

:

But I didn't until we were

sitting here talking about it.

530

:

I was terrified.

531

:

Yeah.

532

:

I was terrified that I'd messed it up.

533

:

No, not, not at all.

534

:

And I remember being like, no,

I told her to tell you and I,

535

:

both of us were like, oh shit.

536

:

No, it was amazing.

537

:

It was so special and it was so, I mean,

that was just such an amazing moment

538

:

cause I knew he was there with us and I

was just so deeply appreciative to get

539

:

that connection with my dog through you.

540

:

I mean, it was so beautiful and profound.

541

:

And again, I knew that the butterflies

were for him, but it's like when it

542

:

comes to this type of stuff, any sort

of external validation never hurts.

543

:

But this is the part that you don't know.

544

:

His birthday, what his 15th birthday

would have been November 11th and the

545

:

last several years I had taken Archer and

Luna to the beach for his birthday because

546

:

he was obviously the favorite child

547

:

But I decided for his birthday or what

would have been his birthday to do

548

:

kind of like a memorial for him And so

Luna and I drove down to Jekyll Island.

549

:

I brought his ashes.

550

:

I brought I have this like this And then I

have this like handmade little like Archer

551

:

figurine that a client had made for me.

552

:

Um, that looks just like him.

553

:

I mean, it's amazing.

554

:

And so I, I keep the rose quartz

and that figurine sitting on

555

:

his box of ashes all the time.

556

:

So I just brought them all with us.

557

:

The, , night before I left, I was invited

to be a guest to this charity event.

558

:

Well, let me back up.

559

:

My, my only thing on my to do list before

I left town the next morning was to

560

:

run by the store and pick up flowers.

561

:

So I'm at this charity event and

there's this gorgeous bouquet

562

:

in the center of our table.

563

:

And at the end of the auction, they were

like, and now we're going to auction

564

:

off these bouquets in the center.

565

:

And they had everyone take

like this, like, Placard thing

566

:

and kind of pass it around.

567

:

And it was like when the music stops,

whoever gets it gets the flowers.

568

:

And I had told a couple of the people

there what I was doing the next day.

569

:

And they were like, just take the flowers.

570

:

And I was like, okay.

571

:

So I left with like this

gorgeous arrangement of flowers

572

:

and they were all white.

573

:

It was just like so clearly

supposed to be for this experience.

574

:

So I drove down to Jekyll Island

and, uh, I drove down on a Sunday.

575

:

His birthday was that Monday.

576

:

Um, uh, and, uh, I got Luna

together and I had my flowers.

577

:

I had my dog in a box.

578

:

I had my bro squirts and my

little figurine and a blanket.

579

:

And, uh, I, uh, drove to the beach and,

uh, cause I didn't like the part of

580

:

the beach, the hotel I was, I was on.

581

:

, and as I was walking down the

boardwalk to the beach, I saw a

582

:

butterfly and I was just like, Oh

my God, like, yes, like he's here.

583

:

And then I kept walking and

I saw another butterfly and I

584

:

was like, All right, Archer.

585

:

And then I kept walking and Lauren,

there were dozens, maybe hundreds of

586

:

butterflies and I was standing there,

I just had tears running down my face.

587

:

I remember this lady, like

walking back into the beach,

588

:

looking at me, like, are you okay?

589

:

And it's like, no, I'm having

a beautiful moment right now.

590

:

Just keep walking.

591

:

Cause I don't want to explain this to you.

592

:

, But I went down to the beach and laid

out my little blanket and like put

593

:

his flowers out and I just had this

little, it was clear what was happening.

594

:

And I just sat down with Luna

and these butterflies just

595

:

kept flying all around us.

596

:

It was so beautiful and just, it

was, it was absolutely amazing.

597

:

And I was like, is it

even butterfly season?

598

:

Like it is November 11th.

599

:

And so I Googled it.

600

:

No, no, there should not

have been butterflies there.

601

:

Let alone.

602

:

There's like a helicopter

right now, maybe a UFO.

603

:

Um, I just, um, I think

this is two things.

604

:

I think that when you're looking

for the signs, you'll find them.

605

:

And I think that when you believe in

it, you will get more and more of them.

606

:

And you have to say,

like, I want to see them.

607

:

I want to stay connected.

608

:

I want to stay in tune with this.

609

:

And I find that the more that I,

cause I'm sensitive to things too.

610

:

Like, I don't know that I could

do it for a career like you are,

611

:

but I think I just know that I am.

612

:

And I just sometimes know things I

should know and dah, dah, dah, dah.

613

:

And I have found.

614

:

The more that I say, like,

I'm, I'm okay with this.

615

:

Like, show me more that it happens.

616

:

And this moment with the

butterflies was just like.

617

:

A fucking nuts.

618

:

I mean, juicy, big butterflies,

like they shouldn't have been there.

619

:

Right.

620

:

It was a mind blowing.

621

:

So I love this so much and it is

part of like the joy and the magic,

622

:

even in the grief that I have found

in doing this animal communication.

623

:

And I also.

624

:

I mean, of course all of our

pets are special and all of our

625

:

pets, like each and every one are

the best boy and the best girl.

626

:

And Archer was such a clear communicator.

627

:

And like, I think that like, so,

I mean, it's so funny because like

628

:

I keep seeing him in my mind's

eye and he's just like prancing.

629

:

He's like, I did that.

630

:

I did that.

631

:

Like he's so proud of himself too.

632

:

It's really, it's, it's,

it's, it's amazing.

633

:

He's the best boy.

634

:

And I just, the connection I had with

that dog is, uh, The strongest connection

635

:

I've had with probably anything in

my life ever and uh, I, uh, Um, back

636

:

to that death cafe, we were talking

about pets, , and like somebody,

637

:

I think one of the prompts was, do

cats and dogs have their own heaven?

638

:

And I was like, what?

639

:

And I was like, no, cause they're

not cats and dogs anymore.

640

:

After they pass.

641

:

It's just this energy.

642

:

It's this energy source that I had

the pleasure of spending 14 and a half

643

:

years with that was in the body of

this charming and handsome coon hound.

644

:

But like that energy isn't gone.

645

:

It's absolutely still there.

646

:

And so it was so funny, though.

647

:

I was just like, what?

648

:

That's so stupid.

649

:

Why is this even a question?

650

:

Yeah, I'm like, have you not

studied metaphysics, like at all?

651

:

You can't invite me to things like this.

652

:

Um, uh, but yeah, I mean, it's just,

and so I guess back to that statement

653

:

you just made, do you find that

certain pets, Are more interested

654

:

in communicating or communicate more

strongly or like what's that like?

655

:

Yeah, so definitely, , I find that

communication is more or less clear.

656

:

Sometimes, depending on the pet,

like pets are pretty open, like

657

:

animals in general are pretty open.

658

:

Some are more clear

communicators than others.

659

:

And then so much of it

depends on the family member.

660

:

So like you were talking about, like

if you are open, then it's easier.

661

:

But if I'm working with somebody who's

either never even considered this

662

:

before or is a skeptic, it's like we

have to get over that hurdle before

663

:

communication can be super clear.

664

:

And then I do think that there are

times that pets are holding, not

665

:

even secrets, but just holding.

666

:

Knowings about their family that maybe

they're like, I don't think my family

667

:

would want me to share this, you know?

668

:

And so, I mean, I think all of

it, just, just how we are when

669

:

we're talking to people, , you

know, all of that plays a role.

670

:

Yeah.

671

:

That makes a lot of sense.

672

:

Do you have anybody that you've done a

reading for who came back afterwards and

673

:

was like, listen, I didn't believe in

any of this, but when you mentioned that

674

:

red ball or whatever, like I'm forever

changed, you know, I mean, yes, yeah, yes,

675

:

I think, I think There has been validation

in each and every reading that I have done

676

:

that maybe, I don't think I've worked with

anybody who was like, I'm not on board

677

:

with this at all, you know, like they

probably wouldn't be there, they wouldn't,

678

:

they wouldn't come to me if they had.

679

:

Yeah.

680

:

100 percent there are people that

are more skeptical than others.

681

:

, but there have been.

682

:

There's been something in every

single reading where they're like,

683

:

you shouldn't have known that, and I'm

like, I know, I know I shouldn't have

684

:

known that, but your pet just told me.

685

:

So here we are.

686

:

Yeah, here we are.

687

:

Yeah.

688

:

Um, so one thing that's interesting also

is that you, uh, the pet doesn't have to

689

:

have passed for you to connect with them.

690

:

Not at all.

691

:

, and so when we had our reading, you

also connected with Luna because

692

:

I was just having a hard time with

supporting her through her grief journey.

693

:

And I found that to be so very helpful.

694

:

Um, do you have tips for people on how

they can connect with their pets on a

695

:

deeper level while they're still with us?

696

:

Absolutely.

697

:

Absolutely.

698

:

Talk to them as if they know what you're

saying, because guess what they do.

699

:

You know, like the communication is

going very clearly from you to them.

700

:

Like that piece is not in question.

701

:

It is happening.

702

:

Even if you are choosing not to

believe it, it's, , twofold, it's

703

:

that people don't necessarily

believe that they understand always

704

:

what's coming back from their pet.

705

:

And so many times I'll say, well,

your pet's saying X, Y, Z, and

706

:

they'll be like, I thought so.

707

:

And I'm like, yeah, of

course you thought so.

708

:

Like this communication is open both ways.

709

:

So yeah, just talk to them like

they can hear you because they can,

710

:

or even think the thoughts like

they don't have to be out loud.

711

:

If you feel like you kind of

know something about your pet,

712

:

trust that because they are also

communicating back with you.

713

:

Yeah.

714

:

I absolutely believe all of that.

715

:

And it's been interesting now

that it's just Luna and I kind

716

:

of fine tuning our girls club.

717

:

And there are times where it's like,

we'll be laying on the couch and it's

718

:

like, Oh, my legs going numb the way

she's laying down and I'd love to turn

719

:

over, but I don't want to mess her up.

720

:

And I'll just think that

and she'll reposition.

721

:

And I feel very, I feel very connected

to her in a way that I, I wasn't and

722

:

probably couldn't have been when Archer

was still around because he, I mean,

723

:

again, I cannot, uh, Convey enough how

deep this connection was with this dog.

724

:

Um, but my relationship with Luna now

is like, so special and interesting and

725

:

watching that grow and evolve and seeing

her grow as a dog in his absence has been

726

:

such a gift and I'm so proud of her and

like, now she comes to work with me every

727

:

day and she's like our little, she's

my employee of the month every month.

728

:

Like people love her and she's so

intuitive and here, this is a crazy

729

:

story about the dogs knowing, um, I

have a client who, uh, I won't name her.

730

:

I hope, hopefully she won't

mind me sharing the story.

731

:

Uh, definitely anonymously, but she

had basically her version of Archer

732

:

who also passed away this year.

733

:

Um, he passed, uh, maybe two

months after I lost Archer.

734

:

And so it was very special and

horrible that we got to experience

735

:

that kind of around the same time.

736

:

Um, but she, her and her husband,

they had always been like,

737

:

not interested in having kids.

738

:

, and.

739

:

In her grief of losing

her pet, she got pregnant.

740

:

She didn't realize that

she had gotten pregnant.

741

:

, you know, thought her cycle was off cause

of her grief and dah, dah, dah, dah.

742

:

And then surprise, you're

like real pregnant.

743

:

And so she's like, fuck, like what a, what

a just absolute shock to the system to

744

:

lose this anchor love of a pet and then,

, know that this new life is coming into our

745

:

family that we are, have not planned for.

746

:

, And she was in for an appointment

with me and, uh, Luna was there

747

:

and she's, she was, she was in

maybe a month before her due date.

748

:

So like kind of towards

the end of all of that.

749

:

Um, yeah.

750

:

And she just started crying because she

was just like, I miss my fucking dog.

751

:

Like, and I don't, I

don't like being pregnant.

752

:

Like I don't, it's not that she

didn't want to have the kid.

753

:

I don't want to, you know, but she

was just like, I don't like this.

754

:

Like this is everything.

755

:

There's been so much change.

756

:

And like, she was just so upset and

she was just sitting there crying.

757

:

And Luna jumped up in the chair and

put, A paw on either side of her

758

:

pregnant belly and just kind of like

hugged her and Luna has not, she's not

759

:

a jump in the chair, like she knows

four on the floor when you're at work.

760

:

But I think she just knew that this

client needed not just a hug, but

761

:

like a dog hug and they just like had

this moment together and I was like,

762

:

God, Luna is such a little empath.

763

:

I mean, she's, it was such a beautiful

moment and I was so happy, you know,

764

:

if I hadn't lost Archer, Luna wouldn't

be at work and Luna not being at work

765

:

would not have had this, you know, it's

just the ripple effect of all of these

766

:

things, you know, , but dogs are so, uh,

They, they absolutely are so intuitive

767

:

and I absolutely believe that just

cause they don't speak English doesn't

768

:

mean that we can't connect with them.

769

:

That's right.

770

:

Yeah.

771

:

, and also, uh, why I think people

need to be really intentional about

772

:

the way they speak to their pets.

773

:

Like I get pissed when people, even

people who are good pet owners and

774

:

love their pets, if they yell or say

like degrading things to their pets

775

:

when they're mad, uh, Unacceptable.

776

:

Right.

777

:

Because they internalize that.

778

:

Absolutely.

779

:

And I think that is something, a theme,

that I have seen come up a lot, especially

780

:

with pets that are rescued or adopted,

is, , not knowing, like, am I yours?

781

:

Forever.

782

:

Like, am I here to stay?

783

:

Yeah.

784

:

And so I think that they need to know that

we love and accept them unconditionally.

785

:

Yeah.

786

:

Even when they're, you know,

frustrating us and all the things.

787

:

'cause like, and everybody gets

frustrated with everybody they live with.

788

:

Sure.

789

:

And they need that reassurance too.

790

:

So.

791

:

Yeah.

792

:

I totally agree with you.

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803

:

Mhm.

804

:

So it's interesting you

mentioned the rescue pets.

805

:

Mm-hmm . I am aggressively pro rescue.

806

:

Yeah.

807

:

, I don't think you need to buy a dog.

808

:

to be just a family pet.

809

:

There's so many amazing animals that are.

810

:

Um, and actually I keep

referencing the death cafe.

811

:

, this was an interesting synchronicity.

812

:

My last client, the night of the

death cafe lost her sister earlier

813

:

this year to a cancer battle.

814

:

, and I'd never met her sister, but

I having known this client for

815

:

years and years and watching her go

through it, I felt, you know, on the

816

:

peripheral, I knew what was going on.

817

:

, so.

818

:

And one thing that was cool is that,

as a young woman, she had a very active

819

:

friend group and social life and all of

that, and she planned her, , celebration

820

:

of life, and it was badass, like, I think

everybody, like, people got tattooed,

821

:

there was music, I mean, like, she had

friends, like, you're gonna read this

822

:

poem, you're gonna do this, and she

really, I did it as right as you can.

823

:

Yeah.

824

:

And so I had seen this client and

then I had to rush to the death cafe.

825

:

And even so, I was like

five or 10 minutes late.

826

:

And in the last group, we were

talking about like, what does it

827

:

mean to have a life well lived?

828

:

And like, what would you want your

celebration of life to look like?

829

:

Cause I think that's a lot of,

a lot of people can't even let

830

:

themselves think about that, you know?

831

:

And so just letting yourself open that

door and walk through it and just.

832

:

Just think about it.

833

:

, and this girl at the table said, uh, uh,

well, I have a friend who passed away

834

:

earlier this year, which is why I'm here.

835

:

And she had people get

tattoos and dah, dah, dah.

836

:

And I was like, hold on.

837

:

And I was like, sorry to interrupt.

838

:

I was like, what's her name?

839

:

Blah, blah, blah.

840

:

And she was like, Oh my God.

841

:

And so this girl was very good friends

with my client's sister who had passed

842

:

away and She spoke at the end and she, uh,

is this a tell she I'll, I'll be vague.

843

:

She works for an animal rescue in town.

844

:

And she was like, I need everybody

to understand like every week we're

845

:

having to euthanize good dogs.

846

:

These aren't just old dogs.

847

:

These aren't aggressive dogs.

848

:

These aren't, you know, fucked up dogs.

849

:

These are good dogs.

850

:

Good, amazing dogs.

851

:

These are puppies.

852

:

These are purebred dogs.

853

:

And she was like, if you have it in

your heart, even to come by and walk

854

:

dogs or like literally anything helps.

855

:

And afterwards I pulled her aside

and , I got her number and I'm going to

856

:

help volunteer with this organization.

857

:

, which I do volunteer work

with the horse rescue now.

858

:

Um, which is great,

but I like dogs better.

859

:

, and so I was like, Oh, and what I

didn't know is that depending on the

860

:

organization, Um, even just taking

those dogs home for the weekend

861

:

resets their scheduled euthanization.

862

:

Oh, wow.

863

:

I didn't know that either.

864

:

Yeah, I had no idea.

865

:

So she was like, even if you can just,

even if you can't adopt, if you can

866

:

bring some of these dogs home for

the weekend, take them on a walk,

867

:

like put love on them, , give them

hope, you know, it'll reset the clock

868

:

on their scheduled euthanization.

869

:

execution.

870

:

And I just, the more you know about

what happens, the more I just, I'm an

871

:

aggressive advocate for adopt, don't shop.

872

:

But one of the things that people say

are like, well, I want, I want to know

873

:

where the dog came from and I want a

puppy and I want, you know, I want to make

874

:

sure I get a good dog and dah, dah, dah.

875

:

And I think that's such a,

a misconception about dogs.

876

:

Um, and I would argue having had to

rescue animals that the rescue pets

877

:

know what their life started off with

and they know the contrast between

878

:

the home you've given them and the

deep appreciation for that love.

879

:

It's not that a purebred dog

isn't going to give it to you, of

880

:

course, but like it's different.

881

:

And I do think that if you're concerned

about behavioral issues, that's,

882

:

there's nothing you can't really work

through and maybe nothing's not fair.

883

:

Obviously there's extreme cases, but.

884

:

Do you notice any, Oh, I don't

know how to phrase this question.

885

:

Like any difference or kind of, uh,

um, uh, I guess difference is the

886

:

best word between pets that have been

rescued versus pets that haven't.

887

:

So what I can say is that I have

talked with a lot of pets who have

888

:

been rescued and some of them have

behavioral issues and some of them don't.

889

:

And the ones who have behavioral.

890

:

Issues, those issues may or may not

stem from their life before they're

891

:

with their new family, but even if it

does stem from that life, almost always

892

:

they are ready to set the old life down.

893

:

They don't want to focus on that.

894

:

And I think it's such a beautiful

example of how we all should live.

895

:

It's not that we should just forget

about, but like that we should be

896

:

in the moment and work from here.

897

:

moving forward.

898

:

Yeah.

899

:

So I do think it's been really

helpful for families to maybe

900

:

have a better understanding

of where a pet has come from.

901

:

But the most important thing that I

hear from almost all of those pets

902

:

is, , Are you going to love me?

903

:

Are you going to accept me?

904

:

Can we work together?

905

:

Like, can this be forever?

906

:

Yeah.

907

:

That that is even more important

than necessarily knowing exactly

908

:

what happened beforehand.

909

:

Yeah, that makes so much sense.

910

:

Is there a perceivable increase

in behavioral issues with rescue

911

:

pets versus non rescue pets?

912

:

I don't.

913

:

know exactly how to answer that question.

914

:

Other than I have worked in the

veterinary field for 20 years,

915

:

I have always rescued my dogs.

916

:

I have seen clients with dogs

that they have purchased.

917

:

And I have seen clients with

dogs that have been rescued.

918

:

And there are

919

:

very few times that I would say

you need to go to purchase a dog.

920

:

Like, I can't even think in my

head a time that I would say,

921

:

oh, you need to purchase a dog.

922

:

I think that adopting a dog is almost

always, if not always, the absolute best

923

:

thing for every family and every pet.

924

:

I love that.

925

:

That's your take.

926

:

Cause it's certainly mine.

927

:

Yeah.

928

:

And, and I mean, I will say

I have two purebred dogs.

929

:

I have a lab and I have a Pomeranian and

both of them came out of the shelter.

930

:

Yes.

931

:

They were both eight months old.

932

:

They both were not like good

fits for their first families.

933

:

And I actually often wonder if I'm judged,

like when I'm walking down the street

934

:

with my two purebred dogs, you know, but.

935

:

I didn't even go in

looking for purebred dogs.

936

:

It's just the way it happened.

937

:

So I think that people don't realize that

even if you want a purebred dog, that

938

:

does not mean that you cannot rescue.

939

:

Even if you want a puppy, that does

not mean that you cannot rescue.

940

:

Like all of those pets

are still available.

941

:

Absolutely.

942

:

, I have a good friend who wanted

a doodle and, uh, She's not

943

:

a dog buyer, which is good.

944

:

, and so she found on Craigslist a

purebred, handsome as fuck, little

945

:

golden doodle and the family, I

mean, this dog had a life jacket.

946

:

Like this is like a rich family.

947

:

And they said to her when she picked up

this dog for free off Craigslist, yeah,

948

:

we're just more of a hamster family.

949

:

It's like, I have so many

problems with that statement.

950

:

Um, uh, like you didn't know

that before you bought a dog.

951

:

, but I have another pair of friends who

have this stunning dog that they bought

952

:

from a very specialized breeder and

da, da, da, da, this is their first dog

953

:

together and they are great dog owners.

954

:

I mean, they take their job as dog

parents very seriously, but they

955

:

haven't neutered this dog yet.

956

:

And I was like, why not?

957

:

And they're like, well, why not?

958

:

He's just such a good dog.

959

:

We may want to breed him.

960

:

And I was like, he's not a good dog

because of his breed or because of his

961

:

pedigree, he's a good dog because you've

put in the time to make him a good dog.

962

:

Also, I've seen multiple versions

of that good dog in the shelter.

963

:

There's no dog you can't rescue.

964

:

, I've recently been on a kick of,

Thinking about Salukis, so beautiful,

965

:

but it's like, I wouldn't ever buy that

dog, but there are Saluki rescues all

966

:

over the place because there's people

who are like, Oh, I didn't realize

967

:

how fast they were, which is stupid.

968

:

Um, you know, but that they might have

a prey drive or right, right, right.

969

:

There's so many people out there

who, I feel this way about buying

970

:

a new car, like let somebody else

take that financial hit and then you

971

:

swoop in and take all the benefits.

972

:

, it's like that phrase, you

can have anything you want,

973

:

but not everything you want.

974

:

So it's like, if you want a

greyhound puppy, you can absolutely

975

:

rescue a greyhound puppy.

976

:

You just may have to be patient.

977

:

You can't have it today.

978

:

Right., but yeah, I just, the

more I experienced life and dogs

979

:

and all of that, the more I'm

just like, this is not necessary.

980

:

And when you see the types of dogs that

are being euthanized every single day

981

:

in this country, it's, heartbreaking.

982

:

And I almost feel like if you're inclined

to like go to a breeder and buy a dog,

983

:

you should be forced to walk through,

uh, like Fulton County animal services.

984

:

Yeah.

985

:

It's heartbreaking.

986

:

Yeah.

987

:

, I have a client who has friends

who moved to Spain and they want

988

:

to get a dog and they were saying,

well, it's so hard because they have

989

:

very strict neuter and spay laws.

990

:

So there's like, there's no strays and

dah, dah, dah, which I think is fabulous.

991

:

, and I had told her, you

know, about put in goes.

992

:

Um, there are these Spanish, it's,

it's one of the oldest dog breeds in

993

:

the world, kind of like a Egyptian

pharaoh hound, , but like a sight hound

994

:

hunting dog, , thousands of years old,

but it is to this day in Spain, they

995

:

breed them for these rabbit hunts.

996

:

They use them for a year or two.

997

:

And then there's this like

ceremonial killing of them.

998

:

It's disgusting the way

they treat these dogs.

999

:

But because of that, a lot of them

end up in rescues all over Spain.

:

00:51:38,457 --> 00:51:40,777

And so I had suggested like,

there's this rescue called Hope

:

00:51:40,777 --> 00:51:42,067

for Podencos, like check them out.

:

00:51:42,067 --> 00:51:42,167

They're awesome.

:

00:51:42,167 --> 00:51:42,267

They're awesome.

:

00:51:42,417 --> 00:51:45,127

Amazing dogs, everything from

puppies to adults to seniors.

:

00:51:45,447 --> 00:51:51,997

, but as a vet working in the U S why

don't we take it that seriously?

:

00:51:52,207 --> 00:51:56,217

Like, gosh, that's such a, that

might be a heavy question to ask you.

:

00:51:56,487 --> 00:51:59,357

I have to think for a minute.

:

00:52:00,927 --> 00:52:03,217

I am going to speak

off the top of my head.

:

00:52:03,377 --> 00:52:10,527

I do not know that this is exactly

why, but my guess is, is that.

:

00:52:12,187 --> 00:52:12,997

People in the U.

:

00:52:12,997 --> 00:52:13,217

S.

:

00:52:13,217 --> 00:52:16,277

may not want to be regulated that

heavily on something like that.

:

00:52:17,137 --> 00:52:19,237

I mean, you know, like Put it on the list.

:

00:52:19,627 --> 00:52:20,087

Right?

:

00:52:20,527 --> 00:52:22,797

I, I, I don't know.

:

00:52:22,877 --> 00:52:23,047

Yeah?

:

00:52:23,047 --> 00:52:25,627

I don't, I don't know off the

top of my head, but that's the

:

00:52:25,627 --> 00:52:26,872

first thing that comes to mind.

:

00:52:27,242 --> 00:52:27,962

to me.

:

00:52:28,512 --> 00:52:36,692

I also, I also think that, I mean,

legally pets are property, like that

:

00:52:37,052 --> 00:52:39,192

legally that's the way it is now.

:

00:52:39,192 --> 00:52:43,462

Then I do not believe that that's what

most people believe in their hearts.

:

00:52:43,852 --> 00:52:49,672

But I think that as long as that

remains that way and, and as a

:

00:52:49,672 --> 00:52:52,832

veterinarian, that could be a whole

another hour long conversation.

:

00:52:52,842 --> 00:52:53,332

Sure.

:

00:52:53,342 --> 00:52:55,042

But, , I think that.

:

00:52:55,452 --> 00:52:57,482

I think that people are going to

be like, I'm sorry, you're going

:

00:52:57,482 --> 00:52:59,072

to regulate my property that way.

:

00:52:59,072 --> 00:53:02,582

Like, I think that there's probably

a lot of that feeling left.

:

00:53:03,242 --> 00:53:06,432

I don't know for sure why it is,

but that would be my best guess.

:

00:53:06,482 --> 00:53:06,862

Yeah.

:

00:53:06,912 --> 00:53:07,892

I think that makes sense.

:

00:53:07,892 --> 00:53:10,532

And I know we are all probably

thinking of other categories

:

00:53:10,532 --> 00:53:11,972

that applies to you as Americans.

:

00:53:12,392 --> 00:53:15,472

But yeah, it's just, it's,

it's an upsetting fact and

:

00:53:15,472 --> 00:53:17,622

just reality of, of life here.

:

00:53:17,962 --> 00:53:23,252

And, One thing, I've done a decent

amount of travel in South America,

:

00:53:23,462 --> 00:53:26,022

and there's a lot of street dogs.

:

00:53:26,022 --> 00:53:26,672

Absolutely.

:

00:53:26,732 --> 00:53:30,312

And at first, you're like, oh my

god, this dog is homeless, I have

:

00:53:30,312 --> 00:53:31,562

to save this dog, da da da da.

:

00:53:31,562 --> 00:53:33,572

And then you realize there's

this whole culture around it,

:

00:53:33,582 --> 00:53:34,702

these dogs are doing great.

:

00:53:34,942 --> 00:53:37,752

They have friends and family, they

know what restaurants feed them,

:

00:53:37,752 --> 00:53:39,022

and there's this whole routine.

:

00:53:39,292 --> 00:53:42,492

And it's It's not the bad things

that happen to dogs everywhere, of

:

00:53:42,492 --> 00:53:46,312

course, but it seems like there's

so much more, , intention in

:

00:53:46,312 --> 00:53:53,627

community in supporting these stray

animals, , in a way that, I don't know.

:

00:53:53,657 --> 00:53:53,907

I guess.

:

00:53:54,017 --> 00:53:54,327

I don't know.

:

00:53:54,327 --> 00:53:55,117

Maybe we just suck.

:

00:53:55,117 --> 00:53:58,867

Is it like, well, you know, and I think

that that's, that is also, I mean,

:

00:53:58,887 --> 00:54:03,197

you know, we in America have moved

so far away from community in so many

:

00:54:03,197 --> 00:54:07,947

ways, you know, we no longer raise

our children in a village, you know,

:

00:54:07,997 --> 00:54:10,797

or, or a super, super small community.

:

00:54:10,797 --> 00:54:14,627

So, I mean, I think it's kind of like

the other end of The spectrum to like,

:

00:54:14,667 --> 00:54:19,957

maybe in South America, they have such

a strong sense of community in general

:

00:54:20,327 --> 00:54:23,347

that we may not necessarily still have.

:

00:54:23,427 --> 00:54:23,877

Yeah.

:

00:54:23,987 --> 00:54:25,237

That's a really, really good point.

:

00:54:26,117 --> 00:54:26,967

So interesting.

:

00:54:27,187 --> 00:54:27,457

, okay.

:

00:54:27,457 --> 00:54:28,817

I want to pivot away from this.

:

00:54:28,847 --> 00:54:32,327

I'll get off my soapbox, but if you're

listening and you're considering buying

:

00:54:32,327 --> 00:54:37,117

a dog, please don't, you, I think are

a great example of somebody who has.

:

00:54:38,182 --> 00:54:43,112

Chosen a career path, but then open

to certain pivots along the way,

:

00:54:43,362 --> 00:54:46,752

which I think everybody should be

open to, because it's really easy to

:

00:54:46,752 --> 00:54:48,182

be like, this is what I want to do.

:

00:54:48,432 --> 00:54:52,512

And then you close out, close

the doors for any other options.

:

00:54:52,942 --> 00:54:57,322

, do you have advice to people, or can

you speak to the process of deciding

:

00:54:57,322 --> 00:55:01,462

to incorporate different facets of

your business and listen to that?

:

00:55:01,992 --> 00:55:03,172

, that little whisper.

:

00:55:03,662 --> 00:55:04,622

Right, right.

:

00:55:05,002 --> 00:55:08,612

So, a few things about that.

:

00:55:08,952 --> 00:55:15,642

So there is a saying that is

something along the lines of

:

00:55:15,732 --> 00:55:18,672

unrealized creativity metastasizes.

:

00:55:18,672 --> 00:55:19,732

Okay.

:

00:55:19,732 --> 00:55:29,272

So I think that when we choose to ignore

that little whisper, that there are.

:

00:55:30,462 --> 00:55:34,482

Talking about ripples like

there are harmful effects.

:

00:55:34,542 --> 00:55:39,742

Mm hmm, you know whether that's in

our body or in what we'll be missing

:

00:55:39,752 --> 00:55:48,112

in our community and so Also, I

think for me I think there was a time

:

00:55:48,112 --> 00:55:52,487

where I was like, well I could be a

veterinarian Or I could be an animal

:

00:55:52,487 --> 00:55:54,047

communicator, but I can't be both.

:

00:55:54,047 --> 00:55:55,077

How could I be both?

:

00:55:55,127 --> 00:56:00,447

Nobody's going to respect me anymore

from the veterinary community or nobody's

:

00:56:00,447 --> 00:56:02,407

going to respect me if I'm over here.

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00:56:02,407 --> 00:56:04,207

Like those two felt so far apart.

:

00:56:04,227 --> 00:56:04,657

Yeah.

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00:56:04,747 --> 00:56:06,877

And then finally I was

like, well, that sucks.

:

00:56:06,907 --> 00:56:08,737

Like, I don't want to do it that way.

:

00:56:08,737 --> 00:56:09,717

I.

:

00:56:10,357 --> 00:56:11,947

I am a veterinarian.

:

00:56:12,147 --> 00:56:18,487

I am a science minded person

and I am an animal communicator.

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00:56:18,957 --> 00:56:23,387

So why can't I just like be all of

them and, and bring it together?

:

00:56:23,837 --> 00:56:30,777

And what if the people that I'm

looking for are looking for me to,

:

00:56:31,247 --> 00:56:34,497

Oh my God, I love that so much.

:

00:56:34,697 --> 00:56:38,707

And it reminds me of this

expression of, uh, you have to be.

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00:56:39,362 --> 00:56:43,012

Authentically who you are so that the

people who are looking for you can find

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00:56:43,022 --> 00:56:46,292

you 100 percent and it's so Every year.

:

00:56:46,292 --> 00:56:50,062

I feel like I make a choice in my

career where people are like, oh right,

:

00:56:50,082 --> 00:56:57,927

but it really I if you listen if you

if you Are, if you learn how to clear

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00:56:57,927 --> 00:57:02,257

away kind of the chatter and get really

clear on that kind of consistent tug

:

00:57:02,617 --> 00:57:06,497

that you have, I think that intuition

is never going to lead you to a place

:

00:57:06,497 --> 00:57:08,817

that isn't for your highest and best.

:

00:57:09,287 --> 00:57:10,927

And you're totally correct.

:

00:57:10,937 --> 00:57:13,777

You attract the people that

will support you on that path.

:

00:57:14,127 --> 00:57:16,727

And it becomes clear that

you were supported and that

:

00:57:16,727 --> 00:57:17,857

you've made the right choice.

:

00:57:18,157 --> 00:57:20,917

And, uh, it's really

boils down to a choice of.

:

00:57:21,647 --> 00:57:25,417

Deciding out of fear of the

unknown, and this is scary, or this

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00:57:25,417 --> 00:57:26,597

is weird, or this is different.

:

00:57:26,917 --> 00:57:31,527

And the trust of choosing to just

listen and we all only get one life.

:

00:57:31,527 --> 00:57:35,987

I mean, doing the way thing, doing things

the way we've been told we should do them.

:

00:57:35,987 --> 00:57:36,727

It's kind of boring.

:

00:57:36,937 --> 00:57:37,167

Right?

:

00:57:37,167 --> 00:57:38,247

Like we need to spice it up.

:

00:57:38,497 --> 00:57:43,457

Like to me, you are exactly what I'm

looking for when it comes to saying

:

00:57:43,457 --> 00:57:47,227

goodbye to a pet, because I want, I'm

not a religious person, but I'm a very

:

00:57:47,227 --> 00:57:49,717

spiritual person and to act like that.

:

00:57:50,362 --> 00:57:54,972

element of things isn't coexisting

during such an intense moment is crazy.

:

00:57:55,392 --> 00:57:58,122

, you described when you did my

reading for me with Archer, a

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00:57:58,122 --> 00:58:01,152

moment, cause I had asked, because

it was also quick, I had asked Dr.

:

00:58:01,152 --> 00:58:02,952

Lauren, like, did I miss something?

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00:58:03,222 --> 00:58:04,212

Like, was he in pain?

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00:58:04,212 --> 00:58:05,022

Like, is there anything?

:

00:58:05,042 --> 00:58:08,452

And, , it sounds like that wasn't the

case luckily, but, but there was this

:

00:58:08,452 --> 00:58:13,092

moment where you, you referred to,

To him as being between worlds and

:

00:58:13,092 --> 00:58:17,592

immediately I knew what you're referring

to, because towards the end, when we

:

00:58:17,592 --> 00:58:20,032

were already at the vet and knew what was

happening, , so I guess really it was like

:

00:58:20,032 --> 00:58:21,632

the last, like 15 minutes of his life.

:

00:58:21,922 --> 00:58:25,612

It was just he and I in the room and I

was laying down next to him, just like

:

00:58:25,652 --> 00:58:31,662

spooning him, sobbing hysterically,

but like in my mind, it's like the,

:

00:58:31,672 --> 00:58:35,072

this sounds crazy, but I'm going to say

it, , it's like the universe was there.

:

00:58:35,072 --> 00:58:36,932

It's like the stars and the cosmos.

:

00:58:36,932 --> 00:58:37,912

It's like, he.

:

00:58:38,277 --> 00:58:42,207

I knew we were between worlds because I

was there with him while it was happening.

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00:58:42,217 --> 00:58:44,397

And I just, the temperature changed.

:

00:58:44,657 --> 00:58:45,117

It's.

:

00:58:45,487 --> 00:58:47,837

I couldn't physically see it,

but I could see it in my mind's

:

00:58:47,837 --> 00:58:48,727

eye, if that makes sense.

:

00:58:48,907 --> 00:58:53,457

But I just felt all of this

expanse open up around us.

:

00:58:53,737 --> 00:58:57,037

And it was so pure and simple and real.

:

00:58:57,347 --> 00:59:01,717

And, uh, when you referenced

that in our reading, I was

:

00:59:01,717 --> 00:59:03,157

just like, Oh, that was legit.

:

00:59:03,157 --> 00:59:04,217

Like, I didn't make that up.

:

00:59:04,227 --> 00:59:04,327

Right.

:

00:59:04,517 --> 00:59:06,837

Like, I don't know that I would have

articulated it the way that you did.

:

00:59:06,837 --> 00:59:11,632

I just knew that was kind of A thing

that happened in that moment, but it was

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00:59:13,812 --> 00:59:14,752

so special.

:

00:59:14,812 --> 00:59:16,222

Yeah, it was so special.

:

00:59:16,382 --> 00:59:20,272

And if I had some just run of the mill

science minded that there, who's like, all

:

00:59:20,272 --> 00:59:21,242

right, you're ready to do this or what?

:

00:59:21,252 --> 00:59:24,842

Like, it's like those totally,

that's such an intense situation.

:

00:59:24,842 --> 00:59:27,252

Like you need somebody who like

understands what's happening.

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00:59:27,792 --> 00:59:28,342

Yeah.

:

00:59:28,512 --> 00:59:28,802

Yeah.

:

00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:31,952

Or at least to me, I

would, I mean, not right.

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00:59:32,062 --> 00:59:32,472

Yeah.

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00:59:32,552 --> 00:59:33,562

Yeah, man.

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00:59:33,592 --> 00:59:34,462

Yeah, for sure.

:

00:59:35,252 --> 00:59:39,182

Do you have any crazy stories or has

anything like wild happened to you?

:

00:59:40,112 --> 00:59:44,042

In your veterinary practice and

or your communicator practice.

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00:59:45,362 --> 00:59:48,242

I mean, I think.

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00:59:48,877 --> 00:59:52,107

You know, and maybe this too

is like a learning in life.

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00:59:52,127 --> 00:59:56,567

It's like, you know, I would love to tell

you like completely outrageous things,

:

00:59:56,567 --> 01:00:02,167

but it's really been the super simple

things that have been so mind blowing.

:

01:00:02,497 --> 01:00:08,187

Like I remember Sitting there with

you and that butterfly moment and like

:

01:00:08,187 --> 01:00:10,357

sitting there thinking, can I say this?

:

01:00:10,677 --> 01:00:11,957

Should I say this?

:

01:00:12,187 --> 01:00:13,487

What if I'm wrong?

:

01:00:13,717 --> 01:00:14,877

But what if I'm right?

:

01:00:15,147 --> 01:00:16,207

But it's butterflies.

:

01:00:16,207 --> 01:00:17,427

Like maybe that's pretty calm.

:

01:00:17,627 --> 01:00:20,917

I mean, I remember going through

all of that and then saying it

:

01:00:20,917 --> 01:00:23,407

and you bursting into tears.

:

01:00:23,847 --> 01:00:25,677

And I was like, well, fuck

:

01:00:27,957 --> 01:00:28,477

that one up.

:

01:00:28,797 --> 01:00:30,779

And then you were like,

that's what I said.

:

01:00:30,779 --> 01:00:31,857

You know what I mean?

:

01:00:31,857 --> 01:00:32,072

So.

:

01:00:32,452 --> 01:00:37,562

That is one of the most profound moments

that I've had over the last year.

:

01:00:37,942 --> 01:00:43,442

And, and I think it really is those

types of synchronicities that I have.

:

01:00:43,907 --> 01:00:49,317

In my veterinary life and in

this animal communication life

:

01:00:49,357 --> 01:00:55,677

that are not huge explosive, but

they're so incredibly meaningful.

:

01:00:55,777 --> 01:00:56,397

Absolutely.

:

01:00:56,407 --> 01:00:56,517

Yeah.

:

01:00:56,517 --> 01:01:01,847

And if you hadn't said that, that would

have changed the trajectory of so many

:

01:01:02,477 --> 01:01:04,217

things, you know, and you're right.

:

01:01:04,227 --> 01:01:06,047

That, that was such a simple, but like.

:

01:01:07,497 --> 01:01:11,167

The most important thing you said that

reading, because I asked for him to

:

01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:16,057

tell you, you know, um, so thank you for

listening and trusting your intuition on

:

01:01:16,067 --> 01:01:19,067

that because, uh, yeah, you're welcome.

:

01:01:19,387 --> 01:01:24,267

I mean, like, this is one that I

hesitate to talk about because it is

:

01:01:24,267 --> 01:01:29,037

so like outside of who I am as a person

and how I like to present myself.

:

01:01:29,077 --> 01:01:31,137

But like, there was one.

:

01:01:32,322 --> 01:01:40,012

that I was talking with and he came

across as like a very strong race.

:

01:01:40,402 --> 01:01:42,182

And I was like, what in the world?

:

01:01:42,722 --> 01:01:42,962

You know?

:

01:01:42,962 --> 01:01:44,812

And I was like, I can't talk about race.

:

01:01:44,842 --> 01:01:47,072

Like this, this feels super uncomfortable.

:

01:01:47,072 --> 01:01:51,062

And so finally at the end of the

reading, I was like, so just going

:

01:01:51,062 --> 01:01:55,967

to say this and the family, And they

were like, we've known it all along.

:

01:01:56,397 --> 01:01:57,617

We knew it all along.

:

01:01:57,657 --> 01:01:59,227

And I was like, oh, okay.

:

01:01:59,297 --> 01:02:00,880

Like he was a different

race from his parents.

:

01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,060

He was a different race than his parents.

:

01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:02,647

Yeah, yeah.

:

01:02:03,797 --> 01:02:04,127

Yeah.

:

01:02:04,167 --> 01:02:06,177

And they were like, yeah,

we've known, we've known that.

:

01:02:06,177 --> 01:02:08,327

And I was like, this is crazy.

:

01:02:08,387 --> 01:02:13,447

I mean, and I've actually really stopped,

tried to stop using the word crazy or

:

01:02:13,447 --> 01:02:17,787

weird and substitute it with magical

because like this stuff is magical.

:

01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:21,337

And like, that was one where I was like,

all right, that's magic right there.

:

01:02:21,397 --> 01:02:27,567

Like, because I would never have brought

that forward had that pet not over and

:

01:02:27,577 --> 01:02:30,487

over and over shown himself that way.

:

01:02:30,742 --> 01:02:32,172

Oh my gosh.

:

01:02:32,542 --> 01:02:33,672

Was he a rescue?

:

01:02:33,692 --> 01:02:37,032

Like, had he lived with a family

of that race to begin with?

:

01:02:37,032 --> 01:02:37,752

I don't know.

:

01:02:38,302 --> 01:02:42,982

His energy was just 100 percent like

came to them as a rescue, but as a puppy.

:

01:02:43,342 --> 01:02:43,452

Okay.

:

01:02:43,452 --> 01:02:43,722

Okay.

:

01:02:44,082 --> 01:02:44,682

That's just who he was.

:

01:02:45,022 --> 01:02:46,132

That's so cool.

:

01:02:46,392 --> 01:02:47,012

It was so cool.

:

01:02:47,042 --> 01:02:49,562

And that's the only time

I've ever experienced that.

:

01:02:49,582 --> 01:02:50,402

Yeah.

:

01:02:50,402 --> 01:02:51,362

There's just a vibe.

:

01:02:52,282 --> 01:02:52,972

100 percent of vibe.

:

01:02:53,052 --> 01:02:54,962

Oh, that's very, that is magical.

:

01:02:55,497 --> 01:02:56,227

It was magical.

:

01:02:56,277 --> 01:02:57,327

Oh, that's crazy.

:

01:02:57,457 --> 01:02:58,297

No, it's not crazy.

:

01:02:58,627 --> 01:02:58,847

It's not crazy.

:

01:02:58,847 --> 01:03:02,287

I mean, it's kind of crazy too, but

we're redefining like what crazy is.

:

01:03:02,387 --> 01:03:03,007

Yeah.

:

01:03:03,027 --> 01:03:06,207

There's so many things like that

where it's like the default term and

:

01:03:06,207 --> 01:03:07,437

then you're like, Oh, wait a minute.

:

01:03:07,637 --> 01:03:10,717

, what did I have the other day where

I defaulted something and I was

:

01:03:10,717 --> 01:03:12,167

like, that's not, why do I do that?

:

01:03:12,167 --> 01:03:13,037

That's not even appropriate.

:

01:03:13,247 --> 01:03:15,897

, I don't remember what it was probably for

the best, but, , I've been trying to be

:

01:03:15,897 --> 01:03:18,837

really mindful of that, uh, as a adult.

:

01:03:19,772 --> 01:03:20,192

, . Okay.

:

01:03:20,342 --> 01:03:23,102

I wanna end on a final question.

:

01:03:23,132 --> 01:03:23,372

Okay.

:

01:03:24,032 --> 01:03:29,102

For people who may be connecting

with this conversation Yes.

:

01:03:29,162 --> 01:03:33,152

And feeling like maybe they have a

little extra, something spicy going

:

01:03:33,152 --> 01:03:35,162

on in their communication abilities.

:

01:03:35,192 --> 01:03:35,282

Yes.

:

01:03:35,592 --> 01:03:40,482

, do you have any tips on how people can.

:

01:03:41,572 --> 01:03:42,352

Explore that.

:

01:03:43,042 --> 01:03:43,682

Absolutely.

:

01:03:43,722 --> 01:03:44,002

Okay.

:

01:03:44,022 --> 01:03:48,352

You used the words earlier in the

conversation, and I don't even remember

:

01:03:48,352 --> 01:03:52,112

what we were referring to, but it

is quieting your mind's chatter.

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01:03:52,792 --> 01:03:53,172

Number one.

:

01:03:53,202 --> 01:03:54,352

I mean, that's it.

:

01:03:54,712 --> 01:03:56,072

Like through meditation?

:

01:03:56,282 --> 01:04:01,682

Through whatever it is for you, you

know, meditation, 100 percent walking

:

01:04:01,682 --> 01:04:04,032

in the woods, 100 percent like.

:

01:04:04,032 --> 01:04:04,102

Okay.

:

01:04:04,102 --> 01:04:04,172

Okay.

:

01:04:04,172 --> 01:04:04,242

Okay.

:

01:04:04,822 --> 01:04:11,842

Painting or listening to calming

music or tapping, or, I mean,

:

01:04:11,842 --> 01:04:13,802

there's a whole list of things.

:

01:04:14,422 --> 01:04:21,622

We have to quiet our minds enough

that we can pick up on everything

:

01:04:21,622 --> 01:04:25,912

that's around us because everything

that's around us is period.

:

01:04:25,912 --> 01:04:29,892

Like I believe that it just

is and it's when we can quiet

:

01:04:29,892 --> 01:04:32,632

ourselves enough to be aware of it.

:

01:04:33,047 --> 01:04:35,237

That then we can interact with it.

:

01:04:35,967 --> 01:04:37,437

I think that's fabulous.

:

01:04:37,777 --> 01:04:39,096

, let me ask it just a

short follow up to that.

:

01:04:40,457 --> 01:04:45,557

, How do you trust what you get

or, or let me rephrase that.

:

01:04:45,567 --> 01:04:46,967

How do you build trust?

:

01:04:46,987 --> 01:04:52,517

Uh, knowing and trust in that and, uh,

kind of silence the, the self doubt

:

01:04:52,517 --> 01:04:56,517

that inevitably comes with the early

stages of exploring this type of stuff.

:

01:04:56,527 --> 01:04:56,887

Sure.

:

01:04:57,237 --> 01:04:59,937

For me, it was doing it over

and over and over again.

:

01:04:59,987 --> 01:05:00,337

Yeah.

:

01:05:00,367 --> 01:05:07,107

So it has taken a hundred readings

in a year to where I'm pretty darn

:

01:05:07,107 --> 01:05:09,697

confident when I'm talking now.

:

01:05:10,147 --> 01:05:13,757

And there is now a feeling in my body.

:

01:05:14,217 --> 01:05:18,397

When information that I receive

is intuitive versus my brain.

:

01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:23,977

It feels different in my body, but

that's only been like in the last month.

:

01:05:24,177 --> 01:05:27,307

You know, like that's not

something that was immediate.

:

01:05:27,667 --> 01:05:28,907

That's something that's grown.

:

01:05:28,907 --> 01:05:30,907

So practice makes perfect.

:

01:05:30,907 --> 01:05:31,407

You know what I mean?

:

01:05:31,867 --> 01:05:34,177

It is doing it over and

over and over again.

:

01:05:34,577 --> 01:05:37,227

And maybe you have to suspend disbelief.

:

01:05:37,427 --> 01:05:41,647

For a little while, you know, and just

say like, okay, well, let's just pretend

:

01:05:41,647 --> 01:05:46,667

this is real today, you know, and then

pretend that it's real tomorrow and

:

01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:50,777

then maybe a week from now, you're like,

okay, maybe this is real, you know,

:

01:05:50,777 --> 01:05:52,127

and to start believing it that way.

:

01:05:52,357 --> 01:05:53,247

I really like that.

:

01:05:53,527 --> 01:05:55,312

And I think for people who are.

:

01:05:56,232 --> 01:05:59,032

Practical and science

minded and skeptical.

:

01:05:59,252 --> 01:06:03,062

, there are lots of little ways

you can test yourself and like

:

01:06:03,072 --> 01:06:04,072

enhance these types of things.

:

01:06:04,082 --> 01:06:04,772

And it can be simple.

:

01:06:04,782 --> 01:06:07,502

I'll do this trick with myself sometimes

if I'm like at an airport or like

:

01:06:07,682 --> 01:06:13,047

whatever, and kind of bored and just

like, , as I'm walking, like, Backpack am

:

01:06:13,047 --> 01:06:18,107

I going to see on this person coming up or

like whatever, just like, , a deck of Uno

:

01:06:18,107 --> 01:06:19,557

cards, like what color am I going to pull?

:

01:06:19,557 --> 01:06:20,617

What number am I going to pull?

:

01:06:20,617 --> 01:06:21,197

Whatever.

:

01:06:21,487 --> 01:06:23,727

And just little ways like

that to test yourself.

:

01:06:23,727 --> 01:06:26,057

And the more that you're right,

the more it's like, Oh, absolutely.

:

01:06:26,207 --> 01:06:27,207

That's fucking cool.

:

01:06:27,267 --> 01:06:28,027

Absolutely.

:

01:06:28,217 --> 01:06:29,117

Yeah, I totally agree.

:

01:06:29,637 --> 01:06:31,697

And when you're doing it

that way, it's a game.

:

01:06:32,307 --> 01:06:35,917

And when you are playing a game, you are.

:

01:06:36,177 --> 01:06:38,297

Lowering that chatter in your mind.

:

01:06:38,346 --> 01:06:39,337

Yes.

:

01:06:39,397 --> 01:06:41,257

And you're hardwired to want to win.

:

01:06:41,527 --> 01:06:46,217

Well, I am at least so competitive, but

like, yeah, I think that if you can give

:

01:06:46,247 --> 01:06:50,757

like a framework and a structure to that

exploration, it's, it's really helpful.

:

01:06:50,997 --> 01:06:55,807

, but yeah, I think that, I think a lot

of people have not even scratched the

:

01:06:55,807 --> 01:07:00,677

surface of their capabilities and,

uh, back to the telepathy tapes thing.

:

01:07:00,677 --> 01:07:02,027

I think that we.

:

01:07:02,672 --> 01:07:07,792

Have a very strict definition

of, uh, how we describe normal.

:

01:07:08,262 --> 01:07:12,512

And, uh, I would like to think

that as a world collectively,

:

01:07:12,532 --> 01:07:14,692

we're expanding that comprehension.

:

01:07:14,982 --> 01:07:19,872

And so my mission with this episode, if

nothing else, is that anybody who would

:

01:07:19,882 --> 01:07:25,482

be inclined to call this weird, uh, maybe

kind of reevaluates and reassesses and,

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and allows themselves to, , just explore

that maybe there's more out there than

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I think that's all we could ask for.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I love that.

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, is it okay if I link your

practice in my show notes?

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I would love for you to.

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Okay, perfect.

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So, everyone, I will link Dr.

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Lauren's info in our show notes.

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She is fabulous.

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I cannot recommend her enough.

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Like I said, I spoke with her After losing

a pet, but I also have clients who've

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spoken to her about living pets and God

forbid if you need to let a pet go like

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you're on my speed dial for when miss

Luna Hopefully never needs to leave us

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But I think it's important to know in

advance and to think about how you want

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to honor your pet and and release them So

thank you for the work that you're doing.

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I think it's so important.

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Like you said to just You Combine the

two and just like be your authentic self

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because the people who are looking for you

are going to want to be able to find you.

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Thank you.

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Hopefully they're listening.

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Yes.

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And there's not a whole lot of

information, if any, about animal

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communication on my website right

now, but that'll be changing.

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Okay.

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The next year.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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I mean, like I referenced earlier,

I feel like that makes it legit that

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it's not just like Wanda's pet site.

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Come on down.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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So like I, I received.

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I expect that you are getting all this

under your belt before you really promote

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it and you know, it's, I can vouch.

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So legit.

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, all right.

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Anything else before I

do my little wrap up?

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No, this has been fantastic.

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Oh my gosh.

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All right.

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Well, Dr.

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Lauren, thank you again

so much for your time.

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This has been fantastic.

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Fucking awesome.

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, if you're listening, as always

Clover club listeners get 10

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01:09:05,627 --> 01:09:08,957

And, uh, yeah, I will look

forward to hearing you next time.

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01:09:09,027 --> 01:09:10,227

Thank you again, Lauren.

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Thank you.

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01:09:10,987 --> 01:09:11,167

Bye.

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Bye.

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