Episode 8
Hey Butterfly: Part 1
Prepare for a fascinating conversation as Erika sits down with Mandy Lauderdale, owner of Hey Butterfly and obsessively knowledgeable medical esthetician. In Part One of this two-part episode, they discuss skincare, aging gracefully, Mandy's early career in the spotlight, and more!
Check out Mandy at Hey Butterfly https://www.heybutterflystudio.com/
Transcript
Welcome to the bell.
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:Hope you're doing well.
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:Just kidding.
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:Welcome to Clover club.
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:You're probably wondering
why I just said that.
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:And I have a little update
since our last episode, which
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:I know you all listened to you.
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:the morning after I recorded
with champion Heath, I got a
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:fateful text message from champ.
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:Have a link to a vintage taco bell table.
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:My guest, Mandy is here and
she's already chuckling.
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:I'm like, I'm going to
do this little intro.
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:Um, it's like impossible to not laugh at.
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:But he sent me this link to
this table, jokingly saying new
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:podcast table question mark.
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:And I was like, LOL, but I
couldn't stop thinking about it.
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:And an hour later I was like,
send me that fucking link.
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:And then the next morning,
three hot tattooed dudes.
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:Move this table.
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:Stairs.
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:And now Mandy is my first
guest sitting at it.
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:And if the name Mandy sounds familiar
it's because I mentioned her at the
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:beginning of an earlier episode,
she is my favorite skin guru.
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:And.
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:Ah, Mandy's here to talk all
things, taco bell, an anti-aging.
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:Hi, Mandy.
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:The worst two things you
could ever put together.
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:Ever.
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:Like how much heart disease started.
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:All right.
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:I can't.
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:It's so nice.
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:Like we, they really don't make things
like this scene where this is would it's.
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:Comfortable it's it's
shockingly comfortable, right?
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:It's actually beautiful.
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:Tacky.
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:1970s.
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:Relationship started at this table.
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:Oh my God.
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:I bet people sat at this
table who were dead now.
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:Oh, absolutely.
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:From taco bell.
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:And just because it's old.
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:Statistically speaking.
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:That is correct.
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:It's funny.
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:Mandy's sent me a message on Instagram,
like, as I was posting about this
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:table acquisition, and she's like,
are you telling me I gave you the
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:first guest to sit at this table.
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:And I was like, I'm really glad that
you appreciate how important that is.
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:Yes.
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:Yes, you are.
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:You clean it.
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:Yeah.
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:I mean, as much as I questioned it.
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:I give it a nice little wipe down.
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:I have not eaten talk about it yet,
but I have plans to, I'm gonna drink
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:a bottle of champagne and get a bunch
of talk about with my best friends in.
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:And break it in as God intended.
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:It was gorgeous.
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:It's perfectly warranted as it should be.
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:Yes.
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:Pre loved.
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:I love it.
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:Well, Well, Mandy, thank you.
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:So, so, so, so much for
coming to you Clover club.
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:Thank you for having me.
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:I did a little like teaser
poll on our Instagram.
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:And this is, you know, if you don't follow
us on Instagram, You should, because
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:leading up to episodes with experts,
I like to do a Q and a, so that then I
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:can take your questions to the expert.
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:And so I've done that with Mandy, so,
and a bit, we're going to get into that.
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:But just a little FYI,
follow us at Clover club pod.
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:, Mandy.
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:How's your day going, click.
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:How are you?
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:I'm good.
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:This is the first podcast
I've ever been interviewed on.
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:Oh, my God.
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:I love cause I speak at conferences
and I go to trade shows and
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:I'm in the treatment room.
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:And I'm always doing
consultations and procedures, but.
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:I love talking about this because I, I
was surprised you asked me to be on here.
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:Even though, you know, how, what
my stance is on anti-aging and how
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:I feel about it being an oxymoron.
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:How.
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:What society has done to women
in the unrealistic standards with
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:aging and the expectations put on
us and how it's like a big deal.
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:When you see some celebrity
like she's so brave.
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:She's aging naturally.
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:I'm like, why is that brave?
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:It's not brave.
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:And it's really annoying.
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:And that's actually why I wanted
you to come on because your mindset
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:about this is in alignment with mine.
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:, I think was it this weekend?
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:Is it.
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:I think Pamela Anderson went to fashion
week with like no makeup and everyone's
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:like, oh my God, she is so brave.
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:And I'm like, is she.
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:I mean, is that really even worth
like commenting on, you know, I agree.
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:And, , Alicia keys got the same thing.
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:Exactly.
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:Side note.
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:I have interviewed Alicia
keys a long time ago.
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:I wasn't BGN MTV.
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:Long time ago.
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:And she.
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:I love that you don't know much about me.
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:This is why I love this podcast.
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:That is okay.
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:Go on.
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:Gonna back up.
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:So, the reason I was on MTV, I
can't believe I'm telling you this.
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:Hours podcast.
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:I've been on Pasa.
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:I was on the first temptation
island a long time ago on Fox.
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:It's like the original.
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:. I say, I love that you don't know this.
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:It makes my day and I'll never talk about.
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:Please talk all you want this as well.
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:The person I was on there with, I was
dating at the time that we were on there.
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:We were a cast into the limelight.
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:I think it was also because we
just didn't care about being on TV.
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:And everyone else did.
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:So I think that's why they
shine a little bit on us.
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:Yeah.
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:And, , ended up on like Howard stern.
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:TRL.
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:And Leno.
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:And like shoved on all this, not
having done much entertainment at all.
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:I was just getting into
the music industry.
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:Actually wasn't even doing aesthetics.
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:I was 22 years old.
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:I'm 45 now.
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:And , it was crazy.
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:, so one of the interviews was
with Carson daily on MTV.
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:And when I get off, they asked
me if I wanted to be a VJ.
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:And I swear, I got asked to do
it because I genuinely did not
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:care about being on television.
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:Yeah.
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:So that's why I ended up being
in key west, living there
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:for three months, doing MTV.
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:MTV.
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:Embrace.
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:It was like, yeah, it was like
their spring, but it was more like
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:it was MTV summer and the keys now.
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:Okay.
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:Did I hook co-hosted a
show with Carmen Electra.
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:And what's really funny
is that I'm from Atlanta.
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:So going down to key west in the
middle of the summer, wasn't that big
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:of a deal, but it was so hot and all
of these other VJ's that were down
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:there, including Carson and a few other
people were not used to that kind of
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:heat and working in that kind of heat.
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:But it didn't bother me.
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:So I ended up getting to host
TRL and do other things with like
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:Brian Mcphaden and a few of them.
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:It was, it was, oh my gosh.
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:Like Tom WAMS, gins.
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:Who's Tom long spans.
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:Wait.
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:Hold on.
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:Hold on.
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:This is very important.
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:Brian.
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:Oh, nevermind.
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:I've just lost all of your listeners.
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:So that you Mcphaden.
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:That's who I'm thinking of.
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:Okay.
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:But Brian was the one.
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:And then I'm Dave Holmes, who was amazing.
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:And so I, yeah, it was, it was, it
was like Mandy Moore was down there
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:and that's how long ago this was.
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:This was when in sync and
Backstreet boys and good Charlotte.
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:Yeah, all the, it was, it was, it
was a trip it's like during, right
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:in the middle of this pop centric.
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:So, Alicia keys was down.
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:She was the nicest guest
that I interviewed.
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:So when this, this ties back around
to we're talking about not wearing
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:any makeup, it doesn't need to tire.
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:I remember.
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:You warned me, this is
how your podcast goes.
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:I know Leary led with this.
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:I never tell anybody this.
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:So glad.
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:Oh, Lord.
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:Alicia look what you did.
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:So, , but she was so cool.
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:So as, even though I was doing
music, I had gone to college for
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:opera and I was crossing over
into jazz and all that good stuff.
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:So for me, I was kind of an
asshole as an interviewer.
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:First of all, I didn't know how to do it.
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:And I, I wanted to test to see
people could really sing live.
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:And so I did it to everybody.
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:I did it to usher.
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:I did it to.
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:Oh, there were so many.
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:, and.
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:I sure did it too.
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:Anyways, Alicia keys.
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:And so she's some people be like,
oh, we'll do this after the break.
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:And they want a warm up and she
just went so hurt song fallen.
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:Had come out and she just like.
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:Broke into it.
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:Like.
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:It was awesome.
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:It was fucking awesome.
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:What's your test like seeing
right now and make a good.
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:Okay.
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:Would you sing for us?
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:And, um, and every time the producers
were looking at me, like, man, he stop it.
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:They knew what I was doing.
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:I'm like, let's just see if
they're legit or if they just
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:had a really good record label.
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:Yeah.
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:So, , anyway, she was so cool.
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:And so afterward we
were in the green room.
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:And I said, Hey, congrats on
everything that you're doing.
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:You're amazing.
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:She was the nicest celebrity
in sheer celebrity.
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:Um, just that lifestyle was very
new to her and she was so humble.
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:She was like, congrats to you too.
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:She's like, I followed your jury too.
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:And I'm like, what?
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:My little like rallies show, like.
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:Like I like tripped over myself
and ended up on a BJ and MTV.
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:Anyways.
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:I was not very good at this job.
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:And after, , three
months, , I was like, oh, and.
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:They like resigned your contract.
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:I just, it wasn't, it wasn't for me.
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:And I was, I wasn't into it, but
it was like three months of that.
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:Sounds perfect.
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:It was good.
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:It was fun.
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:It was just like, but
everybody, everybody was cool.
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:I'm telling you this because she
was so even though she was very
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:young too, but she was just so
beautiful without any makeup on.
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:And just seeing her do
that later on in life.
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:she's and she, I don't, I
think she felt the same way.
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:She doesn't see it as brave.
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:She's like, this is my face.
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:Fucking face.
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:Yeah.
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:But she understands her
responsibility as a celebrity.
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:As a woman as mom.
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:Yeah.
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:To be like, this is okay.
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:, to show your face.
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:Absolutely.
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:I have a question I don't know
if you know this, but it's
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:part of her, no makeup thing.
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:Does she also not do any skin treatments
or injectables or anything like that?
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:It's her whole thing it's completely
natural or she just no makeup.
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:That's a good question.
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:I haven't talked to her into London.
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:Can you call her?
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:She doesn't look like
she's had anything done.
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:She's looks very natural.
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:, and a lot of times just people with
darker skin have usually oilier skin.
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:That's not always the case.
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:And so they don't age as much as you and
I age For the month of October, I'm
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:doing kind of my spin on scary things.
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:Okay.
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:And so this episode is going to start
that because people are so scared of aging
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:and showing their faces so I was like,
Ooh, this is a great way to kick off.
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:Yes.
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:It's funny that we're talking about
that in particular there, I just
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:remembered that Sharley stair on.
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:There's a great interview
when she was on Oprah.
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:I'm not going to quote this, but you
can find it on YouTube or somewhere.
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:And she was talking about how her.
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:Unrealistic beauty standards
of people and she's gorgeous.
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:She used to be modeled before she
was an actress, but she was talking
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:about her mother is in the audience.
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:She said, she said something like if
my mom starts getting too much Botox
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:or too much filler or schizo facelift
or any of these things, by the way,
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:listeners, I'm not opposed to any of that.
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:But, uh, we'll we'll get there.
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:Yeah.
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:Um, that she goes, it's like
a racing the photo album.
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:And so, but then I was
like, oh, and it hit me.
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:And this was years ago.
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:, and I w right, when you showed me this
table and you were looking at all these
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:little scratches, like maybe like a little
five-year-old like dug her fingernails
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:in there because she was nervous for
some little recital that she just did or.
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:That this was from moving around,
like who knows where all these little
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:scratches on this table come from.
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:I hope you never touch it.
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:They all have a story.
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:And so when I, it's funny, I
have this patient that comes
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:to me and she is stunning.
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:And she, I don't know who hurt her.
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:When she was younger about when,
what she's chasing, but we'll fix
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:one concern, quote, unquote, fix.
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:I don't.
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:I never know when people are going to be
happy with results, like how far along?
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:Sure.
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:So cause I'm people with good results,
so is relative to that person.
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:Right?
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:So, but she's so focused on
these baby lines or her on her.
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:You know, marionettes.
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:It's like baby lines.
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:I'm like, oh, you mean the
ones you got from smiling?
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:Yeah.
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:From your face, moving your face.
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:It speak, Mandy, come on.
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:I'm like, I think you need a therapist.
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:I know her really well.
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:Just say that, or that'd be
really inappropriate, but
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:sometimes people just need a hug.
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:Yes.
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:That is a really hard part of my job, but
people will walk in and see me and they'll
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:say, okay, what do you think I need?
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:I'm like, bitch.
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:Yeah, I have.
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:Yeah.
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:I walk in the, put your, do
some earthing, put your feet in
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:the grass and let's figure out.
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:I think that's a really nice thing.
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:With your setup because you're,
one-on-one with your patients.
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:And I'm also one-on-one most
of the time with my guests.
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:And it allows for a deeper level
of connection and conversation,
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:but once you've established that
relationship with people and you
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:start to realize like, oh, the issue,
isn't your hair color, the issue.
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:Is the weight of all of your insecurities
that you're placing on your hair color
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:or your haircut or your skin or whatever.
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:And I do think you're right, you
have to read your, your client.
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:, but I think people need people
like us to be like, Hey.
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:That thing you just said
about yourself as not okay.
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:Like.
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:I don't want to hear you
talk about yourself that way.
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:Let's talk about what we can
do to kind of, you know, Yeah.
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:Self-esteem because what the fuck?
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:Most patients numb for
the procedures that I do.
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:I do all medical aesthetics treatments.
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:So most people are numbing in.
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:I have this, I have said this so many.
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:I probably say this once a week and
I'll be walking out because they
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:just get to relax and chill vibe out.
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:Yeah.
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:And before I leave the room, I
say, I want you to say in your
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:head something nice about yourself.
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:I love that.
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:Let's laugh at me.
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:I'm like, say it right now in your head.
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:And they just like, oh,
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:I think it makes them
realize that I have a sign.
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:You might've seen it hanging in my room.
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:And it says something like, Hey, gorgeous.
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:, in this room, we don't believe
in anti-aging because it's
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:an oxymoron in this room.
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:We believe in healthy aging,
because aging is a privilege denied
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:to many that last little line.
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:denied to many is from mark Twain.
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:Oh.
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:And it's just so beautiful
because it's so true.
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:I want saying.
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:When I was singing jazz in LA.
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:I will never forget this funeral.
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:this man is a gay man.
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:Put in his is so fabulous.
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:He put in his will, that he
wanted on the penthouse suite
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:of the Waldorf for storage.
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:They rented it out and they wanted, , a
red head red hair at the time they
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:wanted a red head and a flowery dress
sitting on top of a white grand piano.
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:Singing show tunes.
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:Oh my gosh.
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:My agent found out about this and they
hired me because I had long wavy red hair.
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:Oh.
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:Can you do all that?
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:I had to learn some show tunes.
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:I just didn't want to
traditional jazz at the time.
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:And.
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:I sat on this table and what was, first of
all, was really cool to do, but for first
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:of all, everybody walking in and thought
like, oh my God, this is so inappropriate.
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:I'm like my baby.
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:I'm sorry, your friend is dead, you know?
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:and all these remix.
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:I know these women are looking at me like.
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:This bitch.
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:Oh my God, but we're so crazy about it.
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:It was like, so I didn't do aesthetics
when I lived in LA to music.
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:Full-time okay.
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:And.
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:I was just looking at all these women
who are in their seventies and eighties.
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:You've never seen nip tuck.
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:Like you have an LA.
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:Um, especially Beverly Hills
and Bellaire, and it is.
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:It and it, everything
was just so preserved.
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:These women, you could tell by
their hands really how old they
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:were and more people are doing hand
treatments because of that now.
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:The hand is the name of my mortgage.
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:Thanks ladies.
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:. But it was wild to just see it.
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:Like what.
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:What are y'all doing?
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:But here's the thing I know I'm
sounding real judgy right now.
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:If that makes them happy in that.
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:That they don't, they almost
don't even know any better.
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:Right.
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:Of like the, the keeping up
with the Jones' keeping up
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:with them to Jones his face.
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:Yeah.
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:, kind of thing.
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:And so, but it w my responsibility
would, I have chosen to do with
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:my career is when someone comes
to me and they're like, Okay.
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:I'm going to get microneedling or laser
treatment or all these things, because
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:I don't want to get Botox and filler.
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:I'm like, hold on a minute.
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:And they know that I don't
have Botox and filler.
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:Yeah.
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:But I'm like, I go, but I work at it.
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:I massage my face at home.
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:We'll get into all these things that
people can do later in this talk with.
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:I go, I work at it.
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:I go, I can't fix all these things
for you because if you're not going
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:to wear sunscreen, if you're not going
to massage your face, if you're not
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:going to drink half your body weight
in ounces, if you're not going to eat
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:point seven grams for every pound.
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:You are protein.
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:Oh, wow.
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:I've, you're not going to take a vitamin C
supplement, which is what builds college.
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:Yeah, it's just, if you're not
going to do those things, then I,
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:and also if people say people want
to come to me from micro-needling
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:because they have a bunch of.
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:Bunch of lines that they want to fix.
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:They've super like
super, expressive faces.
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:I'm working a lot of teachers
who just they're like, listen, I
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:don't want to get Botox because I
still want to be expressive, but
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:I don't want to find lines either.
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:I'm like, well, that's.
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:Possible.
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:Yeah.
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:We gotta meet in the middle of summer.
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:Are you a car with no wheels?
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:Yes.
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:And that's when, like you need both.
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:Yeah, let's just, let's just
start over with expectations.
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:I met yesterday with a woman
who drove here from Macon.
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:Okay.
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:And she had a lot of hyperpigmentation.
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:That was her main thing.
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:Just hyperpigmentation.
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:And I told her she's like, I just
want to, and I thought I was like,
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:oh, I need to remember to tell,
tell Eric this in her podcast.
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:And she said, I just want to put on a
tinted moisturizer she's in her seventies.
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:Okay.
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:Tinted moisturizer every morning, LA.
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:A little mascara
lipstick, go out the door.
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:And I was like, you know,
that chisel and melasma too.
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:You know that melasma hyperpigmentation.
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:You never like fully get rid of it.
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:You manage it for life.
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:And she has like what?
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:And she started crying.
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:Oh, it broke my heart.
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:She's like, no one's ever told me this.
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:And I just, I, I totally broke her heart.
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:Just by delivering
information, but that's my job.
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:And that is every medical
aesthetics in every setting.
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:Strider's job is to just be honest.
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:Yes.
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:Instead of just being like, oh, if I tell
them this, like, we'll get rid of it.
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:Eventually.
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:They'll just keep giving me
money and it's just not fair.
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:So for me, what I've chosen.
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:My job to be is to reset
people's expectations.
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:Yes.
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:And I am educated.
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:Yes, I go.
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:And I said, we can do all this stuff.
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:This is what you have to
do year round to manage it.
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:I was like, let's talk about
a really good concealer.
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:She's like, what?
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:The last thing you'd expect to talk to.
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:In medical education
about, yeah, but it's true.
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:It's just like in all sorts of
being like, Hey, you look beautiful.
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:What else can we do at home?
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:Are you using a good tretinoin?
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:And let's up this stop using a retinol.
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:It's usually those crossover to Trenton.
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:Oh yeah.
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:Stuff like that.
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:And it's just like that.
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:It's hard there.
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:So much, it is hard.
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:There's so much conflicting
information out there that , you
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:need somebody that can be your kind
of one go-to source that you trust.
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:And for me, that's, you.
492
:And I.
493
:Thank you.
494
:I met Mandy almost well.
495
:Yesterday was a year ago to the date.
496
:And I do, you know that.
497
:Yeah.
498
:But I went in to see Mandy.
499
:I I'm in my mid thirties.
500
:, it wasn't from necessarily an
anti-aging perspective, but I
501
:just had never had good skin.
502
:Like I had had lots of acne issues
when I was younger and I just knew I'd
503
:never really done anything to my face.
504
:I had just started getting a little
Botox, but like, My face was like raw.
505
:And I was like, I know
I've got acne scarring.
506
:It's like a texture issues
and stuff like that.
507
:But it wasn't.
508
:I'm terrified of getting old, fix
my face, but it was , how do I make
509
:my skin look, its best right now?
510
:And Mandy, you were such
a godsend with information.
511
:And like we came up with a plan and
we did this wild treatment and he
512
:fried off my top 14 layers of skin.
513
:And now I look great.
514
:I have told so many people
about you that you just, you
515
:went into medical aesthetics.
516
:I don't count like
Botox, fillers, medical.
517
:I mean like medical second treatment.
518
:Yeah.
519
:That, that cause like those,
I consider those injectables.
520
:Yeah.
521
:But you went, you went like to the
bat and like a CO2 laser, the most
522
:aggressive things you can do because
it is ablative and listeners, like a
523
:blade of means like removing the skin.
524
:With, with something
that's a thermal injury.
525
:So you're like a bleeding the skin.
526
:So there's scabs left over.
527
:And if you've seen her kid's picture,
she's just literally one big scab.
528
:Yeah.
529
:So many people want to
do that during this time.
530
:Can I do this around Halloween.
531
:So I look crazy just carnage,
but it's the fact that you went.
532
:Did that extreme?
533
:Most people want to dip their toe in it.
534
:Yeah.
535
:No, not you, not me.
536
:And now that I know you
better, it makes sense.
537
:Yeah.
538
:I'm like why dilly dally?
539
:Let's just fucking do this.
540
:Yes.
541
:But I think that a lot of people
said to me when I did that.
542
:Oh, you're crazy.
543
:You look great.
544
:You're so young.
545
:And I'm like, bitch, I'm not doing
this because I think I'm old.
546
:Like I know I look good, but I'm like, if
I look this good without help, imagine.
547
:What I would look like if
I had my face right off.
548
:, and so that's the craziest
thing I've ever done.
549
:Um, with my face.
550
:So good though.
551
:Looks so good.
552
:Oh, the procedure she's talking about,
you guys is called, , miss the Plaza pin.
553
:I know a lot of people
have heard about it.
554
:The, the, the priest, the, she got
. She didn't just get the pointillism,
555
:which others, the dot pattern that
a lot of you have seen online.
556
:She also got resurfacing, which that's
more for texture and it looks like a bunch
557
:of cat scratches in different directions.
558
:And.
559
:It looks worse.
560
:Yeah.
561
:Awesome.
562
:Awesome.
563
:Yeah.
564
:I'll be honest, you inspired so
much confidence in me, Mandy, but I
565
:didn't really even think through like
actually how intense what I was doing
566
:was like, I knew , I knew it was a
serious thing, but I was like, ah, I
567
:mean, sounds like what I need to do.
568
:, and the 24 hours afterwards,
I was like, holy fuck.
569
:I have been mauled by a bunch of ocelots.
570
:Like I was not prepared for how intense
this is, but it was so worth it.
571
:I mean, I would do it
again, . So much swelling too.
572
:And that, that is the hardest
part to talk people off a cliff.
573
:Like, should I go to the hospital?
574
:I have had one lady long time ago.
575
:Wasn't from that summer laser treatment.
576
:A store for two plastic
surgeons and did this.
577
:Really intense laser treatment.
578
:And she was in her late seventies and she
just, you know, puffed up like a balloon.
579
:Yeah.
580
:I always give people my personal cell.
581
:I'm like, I want you to call
me at three in the morning.
582
:If your eyes are swollen, shut.
583
:I was like, should you take it because
I want the inflammation, right.
584
:There's so many things about, Hey,
get this treatment and we'll give
585
:you this mass or this led thing
to bring down the inflammation.
586
:Like absolutely not.
587
:If you want that inflammation
for a few days, all those yummy
588
:growth factors go in there.
589
:I want your eyes to swell.
590
:Shut.
591
:I tell people, I want you to look in
the mirror and be like, ah, when you
592
:were freaked out and be like, hell
yeah, I'm gonna have some great results.
593
:Do not take that ibuprofen.
594
:If you don't need it for medical reasons,
I'll have to say that for legal reasons.
595
:Um,
596
:um, but yeah, don't do anything
to bring the inflammation down.
597
:It's like, whenever you, like,
before you hurt your knee,
598
:you just need to elevate it.
599
:Don't ice it right away.
600
:You need those growth
factors went in there too.
601
:You know, to repair, you taught me that.
602
:Like not what people teach you
in health class and stuff.
603
:So I thought, no.
604
:Interesting little piece of information.
605
:Yep.
606
:Yeah.
607
:I have three siblings and
my mom, , 10 grandkids.
608
:And so I've told all of them this.
609
:Like do not ice.
610
:It I'm like, unless they just
need it for that comfort.
611
:Just like, just do something cool.
612
:So it'll heal so much faster, but chronic
inflammation that's the inflammation.
613
:That's bad.
614
:Yes.
615
:So I had a lady who went to the ER.
616
:In her late seventies from laser
treatment because she's like you.
617
:And so she came in a couple weeks
later at, um, the doctor's like,
618
:Hey, so-and-so wants to talk to you.
619
:And they already knew that it was,
did she just didn't know better?
620
:Yeah.
621
:She was like, you burned me.
622
:I'm like, damn right at Burnie.
623
:Cause you made me do it.
624
:We need to do it.
625
:Thank you.
626
:Um, yeah, some people don't read
the pre and post instructions.
627
:That's okay.
628
:I read them, but I.
629
:It didn't sink in.
630
:I don't know.
631
:The intensity of it, but I don't care.
632
:I love it when people come and they sit
in the chair, like, so what are we doing?
633
:And I'm laughing.
634
:I'm like, Wait a minute.
635
:What I'm doing has like 14 days downtime.
636
:What do you mean?
637
:What are we doing?
638
:Yeah.
639
:I had a client just the other day
she got some peel and she walked
640
:in and her face is all shiny.
641
:And she's like, I just
got this face thing done.
642
:I didn't read the directions.
643
:I'm not supposed to get my hair done
for 72 hours, but here I am, I didn't
644
:want to come for my appointment.
645
:So can you like not get hair
color or water on my face?
646
:And I was like, wait, yeah,
that's always the goal.
647
:But like she came in with the peel on.
648
:Well, I th I think it was just the post,
, I don't know, whatever comes up, whatever
649
:they put on the face after the peel.
650
:Okay.
651
:But it is funny.
652
:It's just like, people are like,
oh, like, yeah, I'll do this thing.
653
:People, always people always want
to come to both of us back to back.
654
:They want to get the hair.
655
:So some people will go with beauty.
656
:A little bit going to
be like microneedling.
657
:Microneedling is the number one
medical sex treatment in the world.
658
:For a good reason because
it's easy downtime.
659
:It's not even much downtown on people,
just a little bit red, and then
660
:it can be done on all skin types.
661
:Year round could be done.
662
:Acne.
663
:If you don't have rosacea, can we get it?
664
:You just don't want to do over cancer.
665
:But yeah.
666
:But it's, I mean, it takes
all the boxes, except the only
667
:thing it doesn't do is tighten.
668
:If you look on web MD, which is terrible.
669
:It says it produces college in Alaska and
friends that does not produce elastin.
670
:You need a thermal injury for that.
671
:And you heard it here.
672
:First.
673
:I squirrel a lot.
674
:I'll always come back anyhow.
675
:I'll have people that come back.
676
:I do microneedle and they're like,
I'm going to get my hair done.
677
:I'm like, are you getting highlights?
678
:Yeah, you can put bleach.
679
:It's a thousand micro wounds.
680
:A second.
681
:Face neck and decolletage.
682
:It's about, I use her Juva
pin is a with a speed.
683
:I use about an 850,000
little micro wounds.
684
:And like, you're going to put.
685
:Love it.
686
:You're gonna put toner and all those
things like on a route right around
687
:here, your hairline, you will set them
on fire pipe, hyperpigmentation from it.
688
:That's bad.
689
:Anyways.
690
:Yeah.
691
:Don't do those things back to back.
692
:Yeah.
693
:Give yourself a little.
694
:Yeah.
695
:Uh, one thing for you today.
696
:Yeah.
697
:Keep it simple.
698
:But even I, sometimes I actually should.
699
:Now that you say that
put in my consent form.
700
:Have you just had your hair done?
701
:Because I can't do a chemical peel.
702
:On someone who's had a chemical.
703
:Oh, I'm so glad we're talking about this.
704
:Hair color still is oxidizing for like 20.
705
:That makes sense.
706
:That that would be really bad.
707
:Never seen that in a consent form.
708
:Some Wiki hyperpigmentation and
Sue me, even though I have great
709
:liability insurance and I'll have,
would have never known there are,
710
:there are estheticians who have been
like what in the world happened.
711
:They'll put a chemical peel on
somebody and that patient forgot that
712
:they had their lip waxed or brow.
713
:Oh, Oh, God.
714
:Permanent.
715
:It's tricky because sometimes you
just they'll get like it's called PIH.
716
:Post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation.
717
:Okay.
718
:Just burns them a little bit.
719
:So chemical burden.
720
:Is it permanent?
721
:Post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation.
722
:That's why.
723
:We call it PIH, usually in
hopes that post-inflammatory
724
:hyperpigmentation just means.
725
:Yeah.
726
:You had some hyperpigmentation from the
inflammation, from something that you did.
727
:Okay.
728
:Um, whether it's, you know, a
little hiccup like that you had a
729
:contraindication or whether it was
just like that, that skin is mad.
730
:Yeah, which is fine.
731
:It happens all the time, usually
takes about six months to go.
732
:If it doesn't go away after about
six months, it's usually not PIH.
733
:It's usually just someone got
that, but there's always ways.
734
:There are always ways my friends to
treat hyperpigmentation from an injury.
735
:Okay.
736
:Sometimes scar tissue gets some pigment.
737
:Cause you have, it's funny,
like when you have an injury,
738
:let's say that you went hiking.
739
:I have seen this before.
740
:I guess it, I can, I can see it now.
741
:Like a weird, like, like a mark,
like a stick on their face.
742
:Did you go hiking and like someone in
front of you like pulled a tree branch.
743
:I didn't tell you,
smacked you in the face.
744
:Like something like that.
745
:I've heard that story several times.
746
:I've heard the people just have a
weird line of hyperpigmentation.
747
:It's just odd looking
something, hit them in the face.
748
:So three things can happen.
749
:You can either get some scar tissue.
750
:You can have some hyperpigmentation
because you have an injury and your
751
:skin can just do a bunch of things.
752
:So those melanocytes might just get mad.
753
:Okay.
754
:And they just shoot up
an umbrella pigment.
755
:And that's what that is.
756
:And then sometimes you can
have some little blood vessels
757
:called telangiectasia, those
little spider veins on the face.
758
:Yeah.
759
:Sometimes that can happen.
760
:It can be a combination of
two or three of those things.
761
:Oh, wow.
762
:You can there's there's ways of sometimes
just that pigment is not forever.
763
:You just do some microneedling,
some peels, some laser treatments,
764
:and it can just get it off.
765
:And sometimes those melanocytes
are turned on for life.
766
:And we can't turn them off.
767
:We don't know.
768
:Pigment, , whether it's sunspots
or whether it's, , melasma are the
769
:two hardest things to treat because
sometimes all of a sudden I took
770
:something off the inside of someone's
ear recently with the Plaza pen.
771
:And we just think in part is, , some
pigment that came up from an
772
:injury and it's never come back
to her sunspots have come back.
773
:Cause that's what's so cool about, huh?
774
:Yeah, that's really cool.
775
:I mean, it's amazing.
776
:By the way.
777
:The little, little biology fact for you.
778
:We all have the same
number of melanocytes.
779
:Oh.
780
:Someone from like Nigeria, blackest
night, black hair, black eyes has
781
:the same number of melanocytes as
someone from Sweden with blonde hair,
782
:blue eyes, pale pale, pale skin.
783
:Okay.
784
:What is the Malana site?
785
:So
786
:let's start from the beginning.
787
:So.
788
:I mean, obviously I know, but
I'm sure someone listening.
789
:Um, melanin.
790
:So melanin is pigment.
791
:Atlanta pigment comes from Malana sites.
792
:Melanin is pigment.
793
:So most of it's like make the pigment.
794
:Yeah.
795
:Melanocytes make the pigment.
796
:They shouldn't pigment.
797
:So when you see little,
you know, Freckles.
798
:I have all over my arms.
799
:It's almost like little umbrellas.
800
:It is just a line of defense.
801
:So.
802
:A little bit different the freckles.
803
:Okay.
804
:So, but all comes from the same place.
805
:That's what's so tricky about
the lady talked to yesterday.
806
:She has a mixture of sunspots.
807
:And she has mixed her.
808
:Melasma her cheeks.
809
:She wants them gone so badly, but
she has just sunspots on her hands.
810
:I'm like, listen, I can't do like IPL.
811
:As intense pulse, light and laser
treatment, it is used for Rosa or BBL.
812
:Everyone will say why one's
better than the other.
813
:I don't care if you use both.
814
:I think they're both great.
815
:Yeah.
816
:, Reps will tell you
differently, but who cares?
817
:So, , do whatever you want to do.
818
:So she can't do IPL because you
don't want to do heat on melasma,
819
:but here's the funny part.
820
:They both come from the same place.
821
:They're both come from Atlanta sites.
822
:There's triggered by different
things once triggered by the sun.
823
:Once triggered by this hormonal.
824
:So the people with molasses.
825
:So I just started getting
so I'm peri-menopausal and
826
:the little early at 45.
827
:That's fine.
828
:And I was like, what in the
world is this in my forearms?
829
:It is rare.
830
:, melasma on the forums is rare.
831
:You usually see it sometimes in
the shoulders, but a lot of times
832
:sides of the neck size of the cheek.
833
:Sometimes the forehead,
sometimes the upper lip.
834
:And if you could live in a cave with no
sun at all, but you just like you have
835
:a death in the family get super stressed
out and all of a sudden it comes back.
836
:Or you love hot yoga and all
of a sudden it just comes out.
837
:You know, when.
838
:Because you love hot yoga and it just, it.
839
:Don't do hot yoga in a cave
after you lose a loved one.
840
:Yes.
841
:Horrible.
842
:Combination.
843
:Got it.
844
:I have people that will like, um,
845
:When people have those combination
of stressful things, not only is
846
:it bad for something like molasses,
wait, let me, I'll finish this.
847
:Uh, stop it real quick.
848
:And then I'll go into, , things
that cause you to age faster.
849
:Nice transition.
850
:, so even though melasma and sunspots
come from the same place, you do
851
:have to treat them differently
because you have, so that's why I
852
:like certain peels are really good.
853
:Just topicals are good.
854
:, there are lasers.
855
:That are okay.
856
:, Four.
857
:Like something like Moxi and Pico lasers
are okay for melasma here's the thing
858
:they're not turning off the mulatto site.
859
:They're not like shutting
that leaky faucet off a lot.
860
:That's why I do love there's
something called, , Cosmin MD.
861
:I love that because it gives people.
862
:The power to take patients, the power to
use some products at home has a really
863
:high hydroquinone is like 8% hydroquinone
mask and a 6% hydroquinone use at home.
864
:Okay.
865
:You should always rotate off
hydrocodone three months on three
866
:months off because it technically is
a carcinogen when used all the time.
867
:Oh.
868
:Um, but when you, when you
rotated on and off, it's amazing.
869
:So that's what I recommend for melasma.
870
:I have, it's just sunspots.
871
:There's all sorts of stuff.
872
:You're not going to hurt it.
873
:You're just always pulling it out.
874
:Yeah, I like IPL.
875
:I like BBL.
876
:I like all sorts of chemical peels.
877
:I love the perfect
Derma peel I love using.
878
:Um, there's all these other
stuff that can, can mute those.
879
:Melanocytes micro-needling with
certain things like buyer repealer
880
:microneedling with, uh, I love this
product from France called alpha bright.
881
:You can microneedle with it has no
hydroquinone in it or no TCA net.
882
:And it just helps to kind of
shut those faucets off a lot.
883
:A little bit so permanently.
884
:No, nothing's permanent.
885
:You can never shut off those
melanocytes permanently, but
886
:for melasma in particular.
887
:I prefer leaning towards hydroquinone
and just a lot of things.
888
:And always using as many products as
you can that have melanin inhibitors.
889
:PCA has a really good
product called pigment bar.
890
:I love it.
891
:And people can have some kojic acid in it.
892
:It's a new way to wash your face.
893
:You can actually wash your face, you
foam it up, you can put it on your
894
:face and you leave it on for two
minutes and you can brush your teeth.
895
:Then you rinse it off.
896
:It's like a cleanser that also
has some melanin inhibitors.
897
:So as many things as you can find in
your arsenal of if pigment is your
898
:problem is many products, as you can
use people just say, oh, I should
899
:just use a retinol or tretinoin.
900
:Or I should just use this.
901
:, hydroquinone or I should use this,,
that's skin Medica has like Tara
902
:doesn't have any hydroquinone in it.
903
:It's not my favorite, to be honest
with you, but some people love it.
904
:, it's just using as many
products as you can.
905
:That just treat that cause the best way
to treat pigment honestly, is at home.
906
:And of course the number one thing ever.
907
:Do you know what it is?
908
:Consistency.
909
:Yeah.
910
:Yes.
911
:technically yes.
912
:And consistency.
913
:Um, and I'll say one more
thing about all this.
914
:Do you know the difference between.
915
:There's two kinds of SPF.
916
:Do you know the difference between
broad spectrum SPF and mineral?
917
:SPF one kills turtles.
918
:No.
919
:I'm not asking any more questions.
920
:I want your listeners is still big.
921
:You are brilliant.
922
:Because you are.
923
:No more questions.
924
:I don't know.
925
:Totally kidding.
926
:I love you.
927
:Um, don't ask me to hear questions.
928
:I don't know.
929
:Um, we're both very smart.
930
:60 volume on my hair would be great to go.
931
:My blond.
932
:Um, so, , this should more people
should, this should be at every CVS,
933
:every Walgreens, every Ulta, every.
934
:, Sephora, every place that you buy
sensory, every med spa that you
935
:walk into, it should tell people the
difference and why they should know.
936
:So broad spectrum sunscreens
absorbs the sun's race.
937
:Okay.
938
:, they're also easier to rub into your skin.
939
:That's why they're popular.
940
:They're also cheaper.
941
:That's why a lot of people go to them.
942
:But if you're in direct sunlight after
two, about two hours, the reason they
943
:say reapply is not just to get you to go
through the product faster, to buy more.
944
:It's because it literally turns
off it filled that molecule fills
945
:up and spills over into your skin.
946
:Just like if you kept pouring wine into.
947
:Why am I using wine?
948
:To one class and keep boring.
949
:It's going to spill over.
950
:That is with the sun.
951
:The UV rays will do to your skin.
952
:And 70 to 80% of aging is from the sun.
953
:So.
954
:The best sunscreen you can ever
wear is a mineral sunscreen.
955
:And I hear this all the time.
956
:People like I've tried five
different mineral sunscreens.
957
:It's also called physical sunscreen.
958
:Those two words are interchangeable.
959
:When you, if you don't know, and
I will say it's funny, cause some
960
:sunscreens you have to have just
whoever the sales rep is, tell you,
961
:oh, that's mineral or physical.
962
:It just doesn't say it on it.
963
:But if you ever, this is how, you know,
you turn it around and it says zinc or
964
:titanium dioxide on the back is the first
ingredient or is the active ingredient.
965
:That is how you know it is a
mineral slash physical sunscreen.
966
:It is the last line of defense.
967
:So why it's great is that those
minerals reflect the sun's rays.
968
:It's also why it sits more
on the top of your skin.
969
:Doesn't rub in as well.
970
:It's just finding one that works for you.
971
:I'm not even going to list one
that I liked because one that I'll
972
:wear is great for me in the summer.
973
:And I don't like it in the winter
and then I'll change my mind.
974
:They're always different ones coming out.
975
:So that is the best thing you can do.
976
:And if you on your face, neck and
decollete in the back of your hands,
977
:if you could do 50, it'd be great
every day, every single day, even when
978
:it's cloudy out, even when it's cloudy
and rainy, I wear sunscreen when it's
979
:cloudy and raining and I'm in my house.
980
:And when people, people think I do so
many treatments to myself and I'm like,
981
:yo, I've been just wearing sunscreen.
982
:So remember I used to live in LA and
I would, I would go to tanning beds.
983
:I stopped going to And I
was like, I just couldn't.
984
:I'm so pale.
985
:And I just stopped.
986
:I stopped trying to live up
to all these girls with these
987
:dark tans and my goodness.
988
:It's not working for me.
989
:I tried the spray tan thing.
990
:It looked terrible on me.
991
:Yes.
992
:Yeah, and I just accepted that.
993
:I have pale skin and since about 25
to the past, past 20 years, I've just
994
:been diligent about wearing sunscreen
all the time, but I still deal with.
995
:You know, tanning beds and
laying out in the sun and baby
996
:oil from when I was a kid.
997
:Yeah.
998
:Yeah, my daughter, she's five.
999
:She, when I get on her dad all the time,
I'm like, please put sunscreen on her.
:
00:34:13,772 --> 00:34:14,462
She's pale like me.
:
00:34:14,522 --> 00:34:14,972
Okay.
:
00:34:15,032 --> 00:34:18,422
So, um, because our, also our, the
kids these days, like our ozone.
:
00:34:18,452 --> 00:34:18,692
Sure.
:
00:34:18,692 --> 00:34:19,831
Did they still need vitamin D?
:
00:34:19,862 --> 00:34:20,192
Sure.
:
00:34:20,431 --> 00:34:22,982
I'll sometimes leave it off her arms,
but I'm getting on her face and neck.
:
00:34:23,012 --> 00:34:23,252
Yeah.
:
00:34:23,492 --> 00:34:26,042
It's going to get more, especially
cheekbones nose forehead.
:
00:34:26,161 --> 00:34:27,661
Sometimes I'll just do
it there real quickly.
:
00:34:27,661 --> 00:34:31,172
And I always take some,
sunscreen that's powder.
:
00:34:31,202 --> 00:34:33,331
I have it in my hair right
now, like on my part.
:
00:34:33,422 --> 00:34:34,681
Oh, Because I'm so pale.
:
00:34:35,161 --> 00:34:37,411
I'm walking my dog today and
I'll do it in that center hair.
:
00:34:37,411 --> 00:34:39,812
Especially if your hair in a ponytail,
you should always have that with it too.
:
00:34:39,842 --> 00:34:41,192
Now that is always mineral.
:
00:34:41,384 --> 00:34:41,594
Yes.
:
00:34:41,594 --> 00:34:42,734
So it's a mineral sunscreen.
:
00:34:42,734 --> 00:34:45,434
Some minerals sensors are always a
little more expensive, but that's
:
00:34:45,434 --> 00:34:48,134
why, and you also, and people are
going to kill me for saying this.
:
00:34:48,134 --> 00:34:49,514
You really don't need to reapply it.
:
00:34:49,664 --> 00:34:52,994
If you didn't swim it off,
sweat it off, wipe it off.
:
00:34:53,143 --> 00:34:54,103
As long as it's still on you.
:
00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:54,764
You're fine.
:
00:34:55,004 --> 00:34:55,603
That was at the beach.
:
00:34:55,603 --> 00:34:56,054
I'd reapply.
:
00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:56,174
It.
:
00:34:56,324 --> 00:34:58,154
Yeah, but you're never going
to catch me at the beach.
:
00:34:58,214 --> 00:34:58,874
I don't like the beach.
:
00:34:58,904 --> 00:34:59,144
Yeah.
:
00:34:59,624 --> 00:35:00,014
Same.
:
00:35:00,864 --> 00:35:02,484
And that that's that's
people are doing this.
:
00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:04,764
Well, I know that people
relax by the beach.
:
00:35:04,764 --> 00:35:07,674
I know people who crave it and also
that vitamin D yes, it's great for you.
:
00:35:07,764 --> 00:35:10,644
Yeah, but like when I took my
dog for a walk today, I had
:
00:35:10,644 --> 00:35:12,294
sunscreen all over my shoulders.
:
00:35:12,294 --> 00:35:13,674
I did leave it off this part of my arms.
:
00:35:13,674 --> 00:35:15,324
Cause I know that vitamin
D is so important to you.
:
00:35:15,384 --> 00:35:15,864
Yes.
:
00:35:15,924 --> 00:35:18,174
By the way, you absorb
vitamin D more from the sun.
:
00:35:18,444 --> 00:35:19,254
On pulse points.
:
00:35:19,704 --> 00:35:23,154
So you actually ever want to go spread
Eagle to the sun in your backyard?
:
00:35:23,574 --> 00:35:24,114
Go for it.
:
00:35:25,614 --> 00:35:27,384
Like when I drive, I'll turn my arms over.
:
00:35:27,384 --> 00:35:29,784
Cause these are all pulse
points by your wrist right here.
:
00:35:30,174 --> 00:35:32,424
I'll put you in, put your arms
back post points underneath there.
:
00:35:32,484 --> 00:35:32,754
Yeah.
:
00:35:32,904 --> 00:35:33,264
All of it.
:
00:35:33,414 --> 00:35:33,774
You will swear.
:
00:35:34,734 --> 00:35:35,364
Okay.
:
00:35:35,514 --> 00:35:36,684
I'm here for useless information.
:
00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:38,004
It's not useless.
:
00:35:38,244 --> 00:35:41,214
Oh, Such a wealth of
knowledge and my gosh.
:
00:35:41,784 --> 00:35:42,714
Both points out, bitches.
:
00:35:42,714 --> 00:35:43,374
You heard it here first.
:
00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:46,164
So good.
:
00:35:46,554 --> 00:35:47,754
But, you know, Bob Marley died, right.
:
00:35:48,024 --> 00:35:51,024
Um, I forgot what kind of skin
cancer, but he was, he was either
:
00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:52,254
in his toenail or on his toe.
:
00:35:52,794 --> 00:35:54,594
Oh, I've heard that before.
:
00:35:55,164 --> 00:36:00,024
So friends, when you guys go to the
dermatologist, which everyone should get
:
00:36:00,024 --> 00:36:01,734
those mole checks I'm even bad about.
:
00:36:01,764 --> 00:36:04,074
I think I'm, I don't think I'm
like two and a half years out of
:
00:36:04,104 --> 00:36:05,664
this terrible, like estheticians.
:
00:36:06,114 --> 00:36:08,214
We would just think that we can
diagnose ourselves and we can't.
:
00:36:08,214 --> 00:36:09,684
We need somebody to look at our back.
:
00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:10,104
Yeah.
:
00:36:10,164 --> 00:36:13,074
Um, but also little things that we think
is a sunspot we're just used to it.
:
00:36:13,074 --> 00:36:16,284
So y'all should get that checked
once a year and a good dermatologist
:
00:36:16,284 --> 00:36:20,214
should spread your butt cheeks
should look between your and a
:
00:36:20,214 --> 00:36:21,804
lot of dermatologist don't spread.
:
00:36:22,494 --> 00:36:23,994
Uh, inside your lady bits.
:
00:36:24,444 --> 00:36:27,264
I don't know how, how, how medical
should I get on this podcast?
:
00:36:27,624 --> 00:36:28,044
Medical.
:
00:36:28,584 --> 00:36:31,914
It's a crass as you want, because you
could have a sunspot, like on your Lavia.
:
00:36:32,034 --> 00:36:32,754
You like, you'd never know.
:
00:36:32,934 --> 00:36:35,814
You never know, but that
is actually your OB GYN.
:
00:36:35,814 --> 00:36:37,284
His job is to look at that.
:
00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:38,244
That actually is part of their job.
:
00:36:38,274 --> 00:36:40,344
Most dermatologists won't go
there unless you ask them.
:
00:36:40,434 --> 00:36:41,004
That's fair.
:
00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:44,484
But in the same way that like a dentist
should be screening you for oral cancer.
:
00:36:44,844 --> 00:36:46,674
Your hairdresser should be
checking your scalp for.
:
00:36:46,824 --> 00:36:47,274
A hundred percent.
:
00:36:47,304 --> 00:36:47,574
Yeah.
:
00:36:47,604 --> 00:36:48,234
It's just like.
:
00:36:48,594 --> 00:36:48,894
But you.
:
00:36:49,164 --> 00:36:53,304
See that stuff on your own, but I will
say the only place that, um, The only
:
00:36:53,334 --> 00:36:56,484
place that a dermatologist usually
doesn't look as between your legs.
:
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:56,604
Yeah.
:
00:36:56,724 --> 00:36:57,774
They should spread your budgets.
:
00:36:57,834 --> 00:36:58,074
Yeah.
:
00:36:58,134 --> 00:36:59,184
But they should look at your fingernails.
:
00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,804
Don't go with nail Polish on y'all.
:
00:37:01,134 --> 00:37:02,394
Um, no nail Polish.
:
00:37:02,424 --> 00:37:04,074
They need to look at your nails too.
:
00:37:04,164 --> 00:37:04,404
Okay.
:
00:37:04,464 --> 00:37:05,604
And that's part of their job.
:
00:37:05,904 --> 00:37:08,514
So, um, but yeah, they should
look in your hair a little bit,
:
00:37:08,514 --> 00:37:09,684
but you should also check that.
:
00:37:09,834 --> 00:37:11,124
I didn't even think about hairstylist.
:
00:37:11,424 --> 00:37:11,994
Oh yeah.
:
00:37:12,384 --> 00:37:14,304
Multiple times where I've seen
things on people's scalps.
:
00:37:14,454 --> 00:37:14,784
Yeah.
:
00:37:14,904 --> 00:37:17,304
I'll see something, I'll notice it
and then I'll keep an eye on it.
:
00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:20,544
And if it grows quickly or it's
getting irregular borders, I'm like,
:
00:37:20,544 --> 00:37:21,684
you need to go have this strapped out.
:
00:37:21,744 --> 00:37:21,984
Yeah.
:
00:37:22,104 --> 00:37:25,044
And, You know, most of the time
it's benign, but sometimes it's not.
:
00:37:25,074 --> 00:37:27,954
And it's like, I wouldn't have
seen that on my scalp, so, yup.
:
00:37:28,374 --> 00:37:29,814
This is just how it goes.
:
00:37:29,904 --> 00:37:30,264
Yup.
:
00:37:30,444 --> 00:37:30,744
Yeah.
:
00:37:30,864 --> 00:37:32,364
I want to say something
else about dermatologist.
:
00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:32,814
Let's go.
:
00:37:33,264 --> 00:37:35,334
I hear this a lot and I love
dermatologist and I wanted to
:
00:37:35,334 --> 00:37:37,704
go, I thought I was going to be a
dermatologist until I realized most
:
00:37:37,734 --> 00:37:38,844
of what they did is what we just said.
:
00:37:38,844 --> 00:37:42,384
They diagnose, they prescribe, they,
it drives me crazy how often they're
:
00:37:42,384 --> 00:37:44,934
just like, oh, here's some Accutane,
here's this and it just, yeah.
:
00:37:45,294 --> 00:37:46,884
There's some amazing
dermatologist out there.
:
00:37:46,884 --> 00:37:48,774
And some of the, some of the
things that patients have told
:
00:37:48,774 --> 00:37:49,974
me has made my skin crawl.
:
00:37:50,334 --> 00:37:53,274
The people that saying, like,
what about this, um, skin tag
:
00:37:53,274 --> 00:37:54,714
or what about this cheery?
:
00:37:54,714 --> 00:37:56,484
Angioma like, oh, that's
not life threatening.
:
00:37:56,574 --> 00:37:56,964
I get it.
:
00:37:56,994 --> 00:37:58,644
That their job is to save your life.
:
00:37:58,794 --> 00:38:00,084
Yeah, that's fine.
:
00:38:00,084 --> 00:38:03,004
But so many dermatologists, it's
like, oh, don't worry about that.
:
00:38:03,334 --> 00:38:04,414
Sebaceous hyperplasia.
:
00:38:04,414 --> 00:38:04,894
That's February.
:
00:38:04,924 --> 00:38:07,174
Kurtosis I go to have to worry about
that sound I've thrown in like yeah.
:
00:38:07,204 --> 00:38:07,984
Bothers me though.
:
00:38:07,984 --> 00:38:08,764
Can I move it?
:
00:38:08,764 --> 00:38:10,894
And they should actually, every
dermatologist should just have
:
00:38:10,894 --> 00:38:13,264
those machines, some do some
don't sometimes just nitrous,
:
00:38:13,264 --> 00:38:14,344
then they just freeze it off.
:
00:38:14,434 --> 00:38:17,014
Yeah, but that's, I get so many
people coming to me like, oh my
:
00:38:17,014 --> 00:38:18,244
gosh, you can take off those veins.
:
00:38:18,244 --> 00:38:19,144
You can take off this cherry.
:
00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:22,174
And Jim was, you can take off those
cholesterol deposits around the eye.
:
00:38:22,594 --> 00:38:23,644
Yes you can.
:
00:38:23,794 --> 00:38:26,224
Are the cholesterol departments around
the eye, those little white dots.
:
00:38:26,284 --> 00:38:26,374
Yes.
:
00:38:26,674 --> 00:38:27,784
I can get rid of this.
:
00:38:28,054 --> 00:38:28,924
So on my Instagram.
:
00:38:29,404 --> 00:38:32,584
If you look closely, if you zoom
in on the last Plaza fibroblasts,
:
00:38:32,584 --> 00:38:33,634
it just did it for the, I.
:
00:38:34,084 --> 00:38:34,864
I put numbers on it.
:
00:38:34,864 --> 00:38:37,864
Like 1, 2, 3, 1 says, oh, Plaza,
flybys could lift the lids, but college
:
00:38:37,864 --> 00:38:40,504
in the last and underneath, if you
notice it looks like what I did on
:
00:38:40,504 --> 00:38:41,794
your face with the cat scratches.
:
00:38:42,244 --> 00:38:44,254
So that's how you take off a skin lesion.
:
00:38:44,524 --> 00:38:48,754
So it just that poor girl, she said her
eyes, that those wounds just weeped.
:
00:38:50,014 --> 00:38:51,364
Oh, I bet she had a ton of them.
:
00:38:51,394 --> 00:38:52,144
She had lived with them.
:
00:38:52,174 --> 00:38:54,034
She said for about 20 years,
she just got used to them.
:
00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:54,994
And when I first met her.
:
00:38:55,924 --> 00:38:58,504
That's actually not the first thing she
talked about and I'm staring at those.
:
00:38:58,534 --> 00:38:58,774
That's a.
:
00:38:59,254 --> 00:39:01,504
That's really hard for my, when
people come to me and they'll
:
00:39:01,534 --> 00:39:02,944
be like, I just want to do some.
:
00:39:03,694 --> 00:39:04,444
XYZ.
:
00:39:04,554 --> 00:39:07,854
, skin rejuvenation or this, this, these
lines bothering me or this bothers me.
:
00:39:07,854 --> 00:39:11,364
And I'm staring at like 10 really
bright rays cherry angiomas.
:
00:39:11,934 --> 00:39:13,134
They don't say anything about it.
:
00:39:13,134 --> 00:39:14,124
It's hard for me to do it.
:
00:39:14,124 --> 00:39:17,604
So usually how I gently let someone know,
because some people have just been told
:
00:39:17,604 --> 00:39:18,474
there's nothing you can do about it.
:
00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:19,224
Don't even know I do it.
:
00:39:19,284 --> 00:39:19,794
Right.
:
00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:21,924
So, , that communication sometimes
with the patient, it's hard.
:
00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,364
Cause you don't want them
to think that, oh my gosh.
:
00:39:23,394 --> 00:39:25,464
She's this person think that
this doesn't look good, right?
:
00:39:25,554 --> 00:39:27,054
No, I just want them to
know that there's options.
:
00:39:27,054 --> 00:39:28,464
I'll be microneedling
someone's neck and back.
:
00:39:28,464 --> 00:39:30,504
Hey, if you ever will be to take off
that little skin tag, let me know.
:
00:39:30,504 --> 00:39:31,104
We'll do it next time.
:
00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:31,194
Like.
:
00:39:31,614 --> 00:39:32,334
You can do that.
:
00:39:32,334 --> 00:39:33,264
And every time.
:
00:39:33,744 --> 00:39:36,594
So, but I'm never, when I walk up to
people, people think when they find out
:
00:39:36,594 --> 00:39:39,114
what I do, they're like, oh my gosh,
are you just picking apart my face?
:
00:39:39,144 --> 00:39:41,844
I'm like, no, unless it's like
some huge skin tech, like hanging
:
00:39:41,874 --> 00:39:43,494
over in your eye, off the clock.
:
00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:44,394
I'm not picking apart.
:
00:39:46,044 --> 00:39:46,944
Not at all.
:
00:39:47,064 --> 00:39:49,104
I'm sure you get the people when
the people hear what you do.
:
00:39:49,134 --> 00:39:50,244
They're like, oh, don't look at my hair.
:
00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:50,964
Oh man.
:
00:39:51,044 --> 00:39:53,324
I I'm from a big medical family.
:
00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:56,144
And I learned very quickly
at family reunions not to ask
:
00:39:56,144 --> 00:39:57,014
them any medical questions.
:
00:39:57,044 --> 00:39:57,944
It drives me crazy.
:
00:39:58,004 --> 00:39:58,124
Of course.
:
00:39:58,544 --> 00:39:59,204
Everyone will come up.
:
00:39:59,444 --> 00:40:00,644
Oh, my elbow hurts.
:
00:40:00,884 --> 00:40:02,804
This is arthritis or is this cancer?
:
00:40:05,834 --> 00:40:06,554
It's definitely cancer.
:
00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:06,874
Yeah.
:
00:40:07,234 --> 00:40:08,314
Back to the caviar bar.
:
00:40:08,434 --> 00:40:08,764
Yep.
:
00:40:11,704 --> 00:40:12,784
That would be amazing.
:
00:40:12,904 --> 00:40:13,774
Says the vegan route.
:
00:40:15,034 --> 00:40:15,604
My family.
:
00:40:16,324 --> 00:40:16,654
Yeah.
:
00:40:16,864 --> 00:40:17,554
I don't know.
:
00:40:17,554 --> 00:40:18,694
I thought you were a vegetarian.
:
00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:21,754
So I, so I'm a, I'm a realistic vegan.
:
00:40:22,264 --> 00:40:22,624
Okay.
:
00:40:22,654 --> 00:40:25,324
So when I am out and about, and
so that they usually makes, I'm
:
00:40:25,354 --> 00:40:29,194
not one of those vegans that that
goes to, you know, a steakhouse.
:
00:40:29,464 --> 00:40:32,104
With a bunch of friends is
like, is this mushroom cooked
:
00:40:32,104 --> 00:40:33,904
on the same oven as the steak?
:
00:40:33,934 --> 00:40:35,074
I will never be that girl.
:
00:40:35,524 --> 00:40:38,134
Or when it comes to the bread,
that's there, like if it has a little
:
00:40:38,134 --> 00:40:39,214
butter on it, I'm going to get it.
:
00:40:39,364 --> 00:40:40,954
Yeah, I heard Jared Lido say.
:
00:40:41,254 --> 00:40:44,884
He's pretty hardcore vegan, but
he's he embodied how I feel.
:
00:40:45,244 --> 00:40:47,854
Um, he embodies how I feel about it.
:
00:40:47,884 --> 00:40:48,154
The most.
:
00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:50,554
He goes, if I'm at someone's
house and their grandmother
:
00:40:50,554 --> 00:40:53,974
makes made a cookie, I know that
there's eggs and butter and milk.
:
00:40:53,974 --> 00:40:54,874
Now I'm going to eat it.
:
00:40:54,904 --> 00:40:55,234
Fuck.
:
00:40:55,534 --> 00:40:57,034
Like, I wouldn't need,
if it had bacon in it.
:
00:40:57,574 --> 00:40:58,684
It's like that's fair.
:
00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:01,474
But even though the dairy industry
is worse than the other industry.
:
00:41:01,474 --> 00:41:02,494
Well, we're not going to go there.
:
00:41:02,674 --> 00:41:04,024
We're here talking about skincare.
:
00:41:04,744 --> 00:41:05,884
Can we go there real quick?
:
00:41:05,944 --> 00:41:07,004
Yeah, I, , okay.
:
00:41:07,004 --> 00:41:07,994
You told me that you do this.
:
00:41:08,294 --> 00:41:10,664
I keep hit the microphone,
but I meander and.
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00:41:12,224 --> 00:41:17,264
The other day, , I got a coffee
that said cow milk on it, and
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it was just a regular latte.
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So it's like, it was just a latte.
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And instead of where do you think, okay.
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but like to write cow milk
and it's like, that is milk.
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Like that's a regular latte.
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It doesn't need an extra word added to it.
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I can understand writing OOT.
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I could understand writing soy.
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I could understand writing macadamia.
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I could understand writing
any milk, alternative.
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But Cal milk felt so Conti.
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It did like, just so you
know, this came from.
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Yeah.
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Whose baby was stolen.
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. I'm sure they I'm surprised.
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I didn't write that.
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See, I'm not that kind of via , even
though all that shit's true.
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I know, I know.
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And I appreciate you saying that.
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Um, but that it, but I wonder if it's
just, if it says, if they were writing
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milk, if people were saying which
milk it could, it could be innocent.
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The one that comes through.
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Every coffee drink for
the last 1 million years.
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And yeah.
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Because it is standard
just to say, soy or oat or.
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Like, if you, cause you're PR you're
probably paying extra for those.
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So it makes sense to be
like, oh, can you see.
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To pay extra for that?
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Yes.
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I want extra for no suffering.
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Yes, that's fine.
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This conversation.
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Do you want to talk about abortion?
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Let's go.
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I had a conversation.
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Let's go.
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I had this conversation,
a funeral recently.
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I'm really fun at funerals.
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Did you sit on a piano
and saying, I should have.
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Your friend is dead.
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Uh,
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Everyone's like sweet.
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Let's read the will.
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What am I getting?
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Um, What were you saying?
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Abortion?
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Abortion.
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At funerals.
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I said to a sibling.
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No, no, my cousin, I said,
you know, you can be.
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Pro choice and anti-abortion and like
their mind, like it was going crazy.
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Cause they want you to
be one of the other.
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I was like, I hope that I've never
put in the position where to have
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an abortion, never had an abortion.
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I hope we never put in that position
to have to make that decision.
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I'm not like, Nope, Nope, no, no woman
has ever gotten an abortion has been
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late lap pro-abortion and just like,
you know, Have you ever tried this?
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This is awesome.
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Um, nobody, not one, not one woman ever.
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Of course.
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Uh, the last time I saw you, Mandy, , you
had to give me the disclaimer of like,
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is there any chance you're pregnant?
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And I.
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I said to Mandy.
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If I I'm, it won't be for a long,
so just carry on with my face.
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Oh, well, that was a few weeks ago.
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I was like, oh my God.
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She's so honest.
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This is why she has a podcast.
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That's right.
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You're perfect for this.
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I think it said that your perfect 10.
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Yes.
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I have to ask.
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I have to ask that question to everybody
and everyone says the same thing and,
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well, I should say like 95%, I'm sure
I've asked that question to somebody
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who's, you know, always wanted a baby
or tried IVF, and I know how people met.
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Sometimes I find out while we're trying
right now, I'm in the middle of IVF.
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I'm like, I can't treat you.
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Yeah.
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Wait a minute.
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Okay.
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It's technically not a contra-indication,
but I just won't do it.
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I won't stress the body out in a really.
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He released a bunch of cortisol.
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Yeah.
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If you're trying to get pregnant
and do all these other things, why
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would you stress the body out with
anything you want to just be doing?
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You should be meditating every single day.
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And going for walks and just, yes.
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Putting your body mind
to heart in a good place.
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But I have to ask every, but
most I'd say 95 to 99% of people.
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I asked them to say, are you
pregnant or breastfeeding?
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They'd laugh.
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They're like, God, I hope not.
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Yeah.
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Cause everybody, most people
I work on are over 42.
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Yeah.
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Um, But I guess I have
to ask men that too.
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Okay.
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I legally.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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00:44:52,121 --> 00:44:53,801
And so you just, you
never know these days.
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And so I'll have memes laugh at me.
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00:44:55,511 --> 00:44:56,591
I'm like, I don't laugh back.
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I'm like, I don't know if you
were born a man right there.
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Like, I guess.
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That question.
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It's not even a big deal.
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And the others.
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Yes or no.
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Keep it moving.
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It took me a minute to
remember, to say that I'm sure.
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00:45:06,881 --> 00:45:09,761
And so Ben, but you know, men Boardman.
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We're just like, it'd be
like, you gotta be kidding me.
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I.
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Are you pregnant, sir?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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No, no.
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Pregnant.
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You breastfeeding.
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No.
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So are you trying to get pregnant?
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No.
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I'm like it says it all right here.
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Sorry.
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I can appeal you.
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I agree with you.
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It should.
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But I think, I think even
just that conversation, that
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treatment room helps people.
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Yeah, I would totally agree.
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Yeah.
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So anti-aging.
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At the AGA word.
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I hate it doesn't make any sense.
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Yeah.
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, so Mandy, I have a list of
questions that have been submitted.
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Okay.
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Do you want to do like a fire round?
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00:45:46,451 --> 00:45:46,871
Let's do it.
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00:45:46,931 --> 00:45:47,441
Okay.
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00:45:47,741 --> 00:45:49,631
, 'cause you something else want to tell
you, but I bet it's going to come up.
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Oh, okay.
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00:45:50,261 --> 00:45:50,471
Okay.
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Okay.
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That sounds good to me.
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Okay.
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00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:01,660
Y'all so here's the deal.
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00:46:01,930 --> 00:46:06,370
The next part of this interview
gets super deep and super awesome
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00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:08,110
and super filled with information.
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00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,460
But it's long.
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00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,170
And so I made the executive decision to
break this episode up into two parts.
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00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,750
So I really hope that
you enjoyed part one.
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00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,580
I definitely did and got a lot
out of it and we have so much.
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00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:24,960
More information coming from Mandy
in part two, like I said, so, uh,
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00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:27,830
hang tight part two, we will post.
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00:46:28,090 --> 00:46:29,110
I'm going to be honest.
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Next Monday or earlier.
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That's my commitment to you.
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00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:34,780
We may do it earlier as a treat.
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00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:35,890
It just kind of depends.
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So as always, we hope
you enjoyed this episode.
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Stay tuned for part two.
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Follow us on social media.
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Check out Mandy at . Hey butterfly I'll
link all of her stuff in the show notes.
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00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:48,940
And we'll see you next week.
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Thank you.
