Episode 7

Drumming up Business with Guilty Party

Published on: 2nd October, 2023

In this episode host Erika Audrey is joined by Heath Ladnier and Champ Hammett, owners of Guilty Party. Delve into a lively discussion covering topics like drumming, Japanese denim, Taco Bell and the journey of starting a retail business. Tune in for a diverse and engaging conversation.

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Transcript
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I have bangs.

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Hello and welcome to Clover club.

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Thank you for tuning in today.

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This is Erica.

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We are on our second Kelly free episode,

but she's going to be back really soon.

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And I decided to take advantage

of having three microphones.

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And so I've got two dudes up in

the studio with me today that

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I'm so excited to introduce you

all to, so let's get into it.

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I hope you enjoy this episode.

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I am so excited to be

sitting here with, uh,

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Keith.

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Um, no, I'm here with champagne.

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Damn it and that Heath.

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And it all needs.

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Yay.

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Um, These guys have just opened up the

guilty party right next door to me and I

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had to get them on here to, to chit chat.

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And so y'all thank you so much for.

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Taking the time to sit down with me.

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You bet ya.

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Thanks for having us.

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Thank you.

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, so, okay.

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, I actually, I recently learned

something that we have in common

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that you shared with me, Heath.

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Okay.

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And this is like a big deal.

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Champ.

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I don't think you know this yet.

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So I'm excited.

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So the three of us have a mutual friend.

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And drum roll.

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Oh, is it taco bell?

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Oh, yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I have a deep passion for taco bell,

and I learned that he also had a deep

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passion for talk about, and he said

that you champ also share this passion.

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That is actually not accurate.

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Oh, Is it a former bastion?

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It's a former passion.

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Okay.

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, I, they got rid of the double Decker taco.

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And I just, I haven't fully recovered.

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Oh, man, that was a years ago.

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Yeah.

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As a long time ago and well, to be

fair, I married a girl from California.

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Okay.

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So we've become a Del taco family.

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Ooh.

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A real piece of shit.

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Right.

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Hey, I love.

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Getting French fries with tacos.

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I don't know if you've ever

had French fries of tacos.

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That's why you're still in a relationship.

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To talk about with them.

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Taco is good, but it

will never be bell taco.

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And.

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I just, I, I ate taco bell.

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366 days in a row.

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when I was 20 years old.

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And I'm better for it.

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Can I also say that every taco

bell in the city of Atlanta sucks.

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Yeah.

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Not the one on ponds.

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Tear rubble.

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Are you going in the daytime?

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Yes.

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That's your problem.

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We just had it.

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We just had it.

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Two weeks ago.

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I mean, and all we could go probably.

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It was.

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Is it inedible or unedible.

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In Adam A.

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Little bit.

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That's incorrect.

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Um, You were eating it and you said,

I don't even know what this is.

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This is bad.

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Oh, no.

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I said, I don't even know what this is.

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I would never say this as, but I love it.

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But the issue, the issue was we basically

just kind of got a grab bag of random.

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Burritos.

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Okay.

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None of which were what I think I ordered.

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Luckily it all tastes generally the same.

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Yeah, I like that general taste one

was just nacho cheese and crispy rice.

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It was not going to lie.

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I eat that.

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In a tortilla.

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Yeah.

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One was just two delicious ingredients.

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Sponsor me taco bell.

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Okay.

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How, how do y'all know each other?

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I don't know the story.

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It's almost, I mean, at this

point, We pretty much do every

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single waking activity together.

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Oh, , it's more.

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I guess curious that we

didn't know each other longer.

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Okay.

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Signed to do.

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All the exact same things.

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What are those things?

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Well, we both play drums.

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Woo.

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We both play golf.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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, we both grew up going to

punk rock and hardcore shows.

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Fuck.

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Yeah.

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Honestly, we were probably actually, we

know we were at a lot of the same shows.

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Just didn't know each other.

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Different groups.

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That's cool.

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We're both realtors.

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Okay.

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We're slaying houses.

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Cool.

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, and then we then learned that he married

a girl that went to my high school.

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Really.

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In a high school that has eight people.

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Yeah.

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Oh, wait, it's a town with one

red light in a dairy queen.

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What town is it?

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Where are you from?

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Well, it's bike.

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It's so smallest by county.

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Wow.

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It's a pike county.

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Is that in Georgia?

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Yeah.

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W how close to Atlanta.

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60 miles.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Way off the highway.

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Are you, where are you from Heath?

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Uh, swabs.

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Yeah.

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The swamps.

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Uh, a town called Pascagoula.

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I've heard of that my

friend Carly's from there.

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It's a Carly Monroe.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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, so I dated Carly's sister in high school.

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Oh, wait.

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Really?

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This is literally how he

euthanized conversations go

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where it's like, what the fuck?

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You know, this person?

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Oh my God.

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Well, we have mutual friends.

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I didn't know, there were

more, this is like crazy.

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So Carly now lives in

Gulf shores, orange beach.

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For my parents now live.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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I grew up in about a half

mile from Brittany and Carlin.

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Oh, how funny?

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, God, it's a small world.

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Okay.

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So how old were you when

your paths finally crossed

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or like when did that happen?

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Hm.

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I don't know if this is the first

time, but I distinctly remember.

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I was eating breakfast at taco bell.

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He wishes.

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I know.

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At a little place that we all

know called Rhea's Bluebird.

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Yeah.

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Which is just across the street.

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Yes.

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. I was eating breakfast with

another real estate agent.

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And we were just shooting the shit.

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And Heath was our waiter.

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Oh, and.

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He says like, Hey, you sell houses.

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Right.

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And I was like, yeah.

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He said I'm, uh, I just got licensed.

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What should I do?

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And I was like, well, let's get together.

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We'll.

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We'll just talk about it

and figure it all out.

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And then we just.

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Started peeling back

the layers of the onion.

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Oh, my gosh.

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That was seven years ago.

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Yeah.

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Seven eight.

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How kismet.

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That's amazing.

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True love ever since.

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Um, platonic soulmate.

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Yeah.

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So cute.

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Okay, so you connected at Rayez, you did

some real estate, uh, coaching, I suppose.

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It was more so just went

to lunch and drum jobs.

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Yeah.

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That's great.

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I basically was just like, you

know, all that professional

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stuff they tell you to do.

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Don't do that.

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Do this.

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Yeah, that's been my experience

in business a lot is , listen to

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the experts and then do the exact

opposite and you'll be solid.

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The coaches are doing or

telling because they can't do.

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Ah, That was when you started on that.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to do a whole episode

on coaching, um, predatory

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coaching, the whole thing.

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Yep.

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Especially in real estate.

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Oh, God.

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And that's what I would do.

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It's a smart business move.

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You go and teach and that grows.

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Right.

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And then you teach people

to do things wrong.

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Therefore, they never steal your

lie and they keep coming back.

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The prey on people, you create

problems you can conveniently fix.

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Ooh, they think, well, I

must be doing it wrong still.

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And they pay you more

money for more coaching.

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Very smart.

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It's like a drug dealer.

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Hey, religion's been doing it forever.

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The show works.

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It's going to sell a

tiny little bit of hope.

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We only need 10%.

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Ah, you are not wrong.

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, so tell me, okay, so you've

both had careers as musicians.

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I wouldn't say career.

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No.

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I got a lot of free travel.

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A lot of years of free

travel all over the world.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Where's the craziest place

your drumming has taken you?

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, I have done two tours in Russia.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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The first one was two days.

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Okay.

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Went back, which I thought was

going to be for another two days.

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And it was 12 days.

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Okay.

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And I was in places that I

Couldn't tell you where it was.

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Yeah, we were close to Kazic Stan.

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Cool.

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So I've done Russia.

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I've done.

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Southeast Asia, China.

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Australia a couple of times,

Europe, a bunch of times.

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Never got to go to

south America or Africa.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yet.

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But, yeah, that's very cool.

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I think you got into

Russia at the right time.

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Yeah.

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I'm not playing.

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I don't plan to go back.

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I've never been.

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What about you, Heath?

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What's your.

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Drumming history.

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Um, I mean, I grew up playing, I

moved to Atlanta from Pascagoula.

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because my little shitty punk rock band

got signed and there was a surprisingly

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not a huge punk rock scene and ASCA.

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Google and Mississippi.

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So we came up here, just,

uh, Be around more.

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Uh, the music scene and

a little more diversity.

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That quickly fell apart with,

you know, for 18 year olds away

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from home for the first time.

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You know, champs.

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involved in the hardcore scene.

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Just a lot of overlap with punk

rock and there's a movement

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within that called straight edge.

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I was involved on the other

swing of the pendulum, which is

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called drug abuse and alcoholism.

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So, um, a lot of that.

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Had to do With why that

fell apart, but that's fair.

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Uh, what on the tour with, a handful

of other bands and, never went

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to half the places champ with.

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So not nearly as.

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Adventurous, I guess I don't think

you were traveling mentally stressful.

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Uh,

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I slept on floors all over the world.

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Yeah, it was it sound when you say you

toward, it sounds a lot more interesting

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than coming to find me seven days without

a shower in the back of a bus, you know?

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Sorry.

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That is a visual by bus.

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I mean 12 passenger van.

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To be clear.

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Right.

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You said something to me once that I

had not heard it before, but I liked.

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And you were like, my issue is that I was

just a little too good at doing drugs.

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And I was like, oh,

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Um, I think a lot of people get into all

that and it kind of ruins your life and.

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they have really bad experiences.

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Can say that that is the case

with booze, but with drugs.

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I was very good at it.

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It was always a great experience.

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Hey, I hear him tell stories and I'm

like, honestly, cocaine sound sick.

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Sounds awesome.

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

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Like I could be so wasted.

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I drink a handle of vodka a day.

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And, you know, you drink that much booze.

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You're either going to pass out

or, you know, And then I just

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throw some blow in there and I'm

like, Give me the fucking SATs.

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I got this.

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I'm so much smarter than

I was 10 seconds ago.

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Oh, my God, that that would be actually

hilarious to watch you take the, let.

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No, he can't go back to that.

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I don't know, I'm five years removed.

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And, uh, life is exponentially better.

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I am sure I am.

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Sure.

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And you are literally on the

other end of that spectrum,

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you've never partaken and correct.

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Nope.

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Have you ever smoked a cigarette?

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Yeah, I smoked a cigarette.

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I smoked cigarettes in seventh

grade when it was cool.

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What a baddie.

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I used to sneak off into

the woods and I did that.

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Some ciggies.

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Yeah, I stole my friend's

grandma's cigarettes and we

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like went into the woods.

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Like took like two puffs.

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That's how I started smoking in the woods.

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Me like building forts and shit.

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Yeah.

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And there was a neighbor

who she was probably 14, 15,

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and she was a real bad ass.

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I'm talking like chain wallet.

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Bad-ass.

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And which we sell a guilty party.

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We caught her smoking and she

literally tied me to a tree.

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Like with a extension cable.

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Made me smoke cigarettes and then gave

me a little travel tube of toothpaste.

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But basically she said, now that you've

smoked, you can't tell on me for smoking.

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And now she did dominate tricks yesterday.

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Probably.

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But, uh, I've got the details of this

story getting real good, real fast.

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To like six months, I would

carry toothpaste in my pocket.

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Just to smoke cigarettes.

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And then that's how I started smoking

menthol cigarettes, because I was like,

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well, it's already got mint in it.

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Fuck it.

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I don't need to go buy toothpaste anymore.

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No one will know.

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Always a bargain hunter.

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Every.

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But, you know, every day my mom would come

in and like, you smell like cigarettes

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and I'm like, man, well, you're stupid.

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The claim Bryant.

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So.

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Uh, back and forth.

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Um, I don't know if y'all know this.

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I also have a little bit

of a musical background.

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Well, we'll bring it on.

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Do you play drums also?

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I don't play drums.

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. Um, I play the guitar and when I was in

middle school, I actually wanted to play

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the drums and I started taking drumming

lessons, but I was again in middle school

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and I had like big tits in middle school.

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And my drum teacher, his handle love

to find its way, like up my thigh.

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And I was like, mom, I don't

think drumming through me.

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And I know, so then I retired.

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Tits tits.

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Oh, sorry.

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Yeah, that's what he said.

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Um, so I dabbled in drumming

with a it's not good, not good.

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Sorry.

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Can I add onto that?

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Sure.

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So in middle school, I did

not want to play drums.

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Oh, this was the peak

of the Skoll revival.

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I wanted to play trumpet.

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I can see you throw it down

on the trip and actually.

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But, uh, your boy had asthma

when he was a little boy.

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I had to play drums.

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Worked out pretty well though.

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You guys took you to Russia.

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I mean, my God, where would

the trumpet have taken you?

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God only knows the moon.

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Maybe.

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It could've been a real big fish.

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They actually made it.

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That's true.

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R I P M what my biggest, uh,

musical career moment was

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singing with the Atlanta opera.

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Cool.

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Hold on.

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So you want it to be a drummer,

you're a guitar player.

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You skipped all that.

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And now you're singing in the opera.

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Well, not currently, but I did,

I think three operas with the

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Atlanta opera, and then I retired.

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But that's my Russia.

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You major, major millions

and you've retired.

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I made my millions and I bounced.

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Yeah.

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You know, That's fucking cool.

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I still turn on calls every day.

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I'm just getting.

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But I do.

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I play the guitar and I say

again, but I like, I fuck around.

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I don't do anything like, uh, for

public consumption anymore.

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Well that's, I mean, My drums

or furniture in my house.

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Are they cool furniture?

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I mean, they're cool.

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I just got to keep my kids off of them.

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Really?

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You don't want to, you don't end

up create some baby drummers?

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Uh, no I do, but just not.

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Not when I'm trying to do something else.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah.

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I like those.

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I'm like electronic ones where

it just is like the little pad

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and you hear it in the headphone.

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Yeah.

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Like as a parent, I would think

that would be the way to go.

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Yeah, man.

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I think you're kind of, especially in the.

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The scenes championed I were in.

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You kind of get a negative

outlook on, electronic drums.

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Yeah, I can totally see that.

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You know, creeping into your forties

and having kids, you really see

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how good those damn things must be.

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Yeah.

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That is like a whole new horizon.

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Oh, also another thing that

he and I had in common, we

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both worked at guitar center.

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Yeah.

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And like he, or we must've

just missed each other.

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Really like the same location, same

location in the same department.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a really, like, I believe in.

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I believe in all of that.

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We are.

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We are John Cusack and,

and Kate back and sell.

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Serendipitous.

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Our ice skating together.

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Missing a glove.

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Um,

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do you sell gloves?

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Next door.

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No.

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Not yet.

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We may, but Atlanta seems to

be the new, uh, Serengeti.

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So I'm not sure it's ever going

to get cold enough to have gloves.

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That's true.

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Unfortunately.

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Oh, man.

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Okay.

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So y'all are obviously good friends.

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You've got a million things in common.

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You a.

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I assume your primary source

of income was real estate for

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the last, however many years.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And so then fast forward to.

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January you sign a lease on a

brick and mortar space, literally

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mirror image of mine next door.

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Um, Matt, and now you are an amazing.

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Retailer.

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And now we have no income.

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Yeah.

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And our main source of

income is still real estate.

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Walk me through.

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Like, how did you even

decide to, uh, Do this.

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So in my, in my travels, , I started

going to stores in New York and Japan.

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And they sold a particular type of denim.

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Called salvage denim, which.

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Basically is they make it on

vintage shuttle looms, the way

492

:

that Levi's used to make it.

493

:

Back before they started.

494

:

Churning them out and

creating a shit product.

495

:

And.

496

:

I just.

497

:

Fell in love with it.

498

:

I fell in love with like kind

of heritage inspired clothing

499

:

and just really well-made.

500

:

Pieces that didn't make you

look like you were dressing

501

:

up, but the quality was there.

502

:

Yeah.

503

:

And.

504

:

So my background before.

505

:

Real estate was retail.

506

:

And so in between tours, I was

like, man, I just want to open

507

:

a shop that sells this stuff.

508

:

But at the time it was in New York.

509

:

In San Francisco.

510

:

And then not even in LA, you know,

it was Atlanta, wasn't ready for it.

511

:

And that was my excuse.

512

:

So I put it off.

513

:

Got into real estate.

514

:

I never stopped, like being into.

515

:

That denim culture and, you know, not

fashion, I could give two shits about

516

:

fashion, but like just well-made clothing

that like, I thought it was cool.

517

:

And then.

518

:

One day.

519

:

He was like, Hey, you always

seem to have nice jeans.

520

:

What kind of jeans should I buy?

521

:

And I was like, To be honest,

I mean, This is what I have.

522

:

I don't know if you want

to start with it, but.

523

:

Go ahead.

524

:

I mean, I think his response was something

along the lines of like, I'm not sure

525

:

you want to open that bag of worms and.

526

:

So he gave me.

527

:

A litany of information and, and,

and just kind of narrowed it down and

528

:

said, you know, here's four brands.

529

:

Go look.

530

:

Whatever.

531

:

Yeah.

532

:

So I probably spent a

week looking at those.

533

:

Genes from those brands and then seeing,

okay, well they exist in this shop.

534

:

They exist here.

535

:

They exist here.

536

:

Why have I never heard about this shit?

537

:

But.

538

:

Uh, my natural inclination.

539

:

In any of those situations is to

just buy the most expensive thing.

540

:

Yeah, it's gotta be good.

541

:

It's gotta be the best.

542

:

And so I did, um, I bought

a pair of iron heart.

543

:

James.

544

:

And how much has the

pair of Ironheart jeans?

545

:

For people who don't

varies from right now.

546

:

I think everything, they have

varies from 3 25 to 4 75.

547

:

Okay.

548

:

Okay.

549

:

So a lot, but not inaccessible.

550

:

There's no common.

551

:

If your norm is target.

552

:

It's a lot.

553

:

Yeah.

554

:

But if you're used to buying quality

clothing, it's, it's like, oh,

555

:

noticeable, but it's not, it's not insane.

556

:

Yeah.

557

:

Uh, so I got those genes.

558

:

Um, And.

559

:

Instantly.

560

:

Was changed.

561

:

Um, he got it.

562

:

I didn't have anyone to really

talk about that with yeah.

563

:

Uh, and so I like dove in,

in a very, almost shamefully

564

:

nerdy way, , to the point.

565

:

I think I spent somewhere

in the neighborhood of 10 to

566

:

$12,000 in like 10 months.

567

:

Okay.

568

:

On everything, iron heart sold

and you know, champs and the.

569

:

The peanut gallery saying, Hey, there

are other brands slow down also.

570

:

Also, I said stop buying stuff.

571

:

Yeah.

572

:

The point is to buy less stuff.

573

:

And I w I was buying and

selling and buying and selling.

574

:

Um, but.

575

:

My wife came in once and I was

on a laptop and I'm typing away

576

:

and she comes in and I shut it.

577

:

And so instantly she's like,

what the fuck are you doing?

578

:

Yeah, she's obviously thinks I'm being.

579

:

Uh, shady and it turns

out I'm on a denim forum.

580

:

Talking about, uh, Chain stitch hemming.

581

:

With a, another grown ass gentlemen,

somewhere in, I think Delaware.

582

:

Uh, I believe her exact words

were, I'll never be wet again.

583

:

Wow.

584

:

Um, But that's so.

585

:

Yeah.

586

:

And so with that, I think.

587

:

You know, Champ's been

into it for 15, 16 years.

588

:

I've been into it for five.

589

:

And so you had catching up to do that's.

590

:

Why not only.

591

:

Catching up, but you know, the passion

that, about it that got lit at me.

592

:

Yeah.

593

:

You, I use that to bug

the shit out of him.

594

:

Like, you know, cause I, the, over those

five years I traveled, I went to a lot

595

:

of the shops that are here in America.

596

:

And that was what I wanted to

do when I landed, Hey, my wife

597

:

wants to, where are we eating?

598

:

Where are we going?

599

:

Where are we staying?

600

:

And I'm thinking, how close are

we to selfish or to blue and

601

:

green or standard and strange.

602

:

And.

603

:

So knowing champs.

604

:

Retail background.

605

:

I really was just like, why

the fuck aren't we doing this?

606

:

Why aren't we offering

this here in Atlanta?

607

:

And yeah, finally I think he.

608

:

Throw up his hands.

609

:

Was that conversation like

five years ago or no, this was

610

:

a year and a half ago maybe.

611

:

Yeah.

612

:

So this is a quick like

seed to fruition story.

613

:

Yeah.

614

:

I mean, it was, it was wow.

615

:

You know, because my initial reaction,

when he was like, why isn't this here?

616

:

Why, why don't we just do it?

617

:

I was.

618

:

You know, I don't think Atlanta.

619

:

Can sustain it.

620

:

You know, because it's very niche.

621

:

Absolutely.

622

:

You know, but then, you know, we.

623

:

So Heath and I are also on

the same real estate team.

624

:

Okay.

625

:

Um, shadow groundwork Realty group.

626

:

Um, But, you know, we would be

having real estate meetings and

627

:

quickly just be talking about.

628

:

Well, maybe it would work because

of this, you know, for the past.

629

:

10 years, especially during COVID.

630

:

We helped so many people move to Atlanta.

631

:

From New York.

632

:

From San Francisco from LA, from Seattle.

633

:

From all over.

634

:

Yeah.

635

:

So those people.

636

:

Had already had.

637

:

Places like that shit to shop.

638

:

Then we're like also, we're the

number one film industry city.

639

:

Yeah in the world.

640

:

So.

641

:

That's bringing people here.

642

:

Countless industries are moving here.

643

:

And finally, it was just

like, You know what fuck it.

644

:

If no one else was going to do it.

645

:

Let's just do it.

646

:

Yeah.

647

:

And I, for me, it was, you know,

15 years of like wanting to do it.

648

:

Once I was like, Hey, fuck it.

649

:

I'm down.

650

:

Are you down?

651

:

He said yes.

652

:

I was like, well, then

we're just going to do it.

653

:

I got.

654

:

It can't be two years

of planning cause isle.

655

:

I'll just move on.

656

:

You.

657

:

You got to ride that momentum.

658

:

Yeah.

659

:

Yeah.

660

:

And, uh, it was quick and it was,

I mean, we wanted it to be quicker.

661

:

Yeah.

662

:

You know, we, we, we.

663

:

Basically about a year, not

a year and a half, I guess, a

664

:

year and a couple of months ago.

665

:

We entered the fuck it let's do it stage.

666

:

And we're like, let's be open by spring.

667

:

Okay.

668

:

We quickly learned not possible.

669

:

Yeah.

670

:

Negotiating a commercial lease.

671

:

So that was forever.

672

:

It's fucking crickets.

673

:

It's like, Hey, what color is the sky?

674

:

I'll get 12 days.

675

:

Yeah, it says I got your email.

676

:

I'll be right back.

677

:

Let me ask ownership.

678

:

Yeah.

679

:

That's brutal.

680

:

And so we quickly learned that

just that wasn't possible for many

681

:

reasons, the most important reason.

682

:

Is.

683

:

Most of the items that we sell.

684

:

Our made to order.

685

:

Yeah.

686

:

So we quickly learned.

687

:

Okay, well, let's aim for.

688

:

Fall time, you know,

late summer, early fall.

689

:

And even then it was are, we have to rush.

690

:

So.

691

:

You know, we signed a lease.

692

:

And I think.

693

:

Do we, did we sign a lease

before going to New York?

694

:

Uh, in January, no, we

didn't have at least.

695

:

Yeah.

696

:

So we flew to New York to meet with

brands from all over the world.

697

:

And we started establishing

relationships and.

698

:

Committing to hoarders before

we ever signed a lease.

699

:

Oh my God.

700

:

Yeah.

701

:

Did you had you seen this space?

702

:

We had seen the space.

703

:

But, I mean, it was moving.

704

:

Like lava.

705

:

Well, it was, and there was also like

some non-negotiables that we had not.

706

:

You had agreed on.

707

:

You know, These things

had kitchens at them.

708

:

Yup.

709

:

We didn't want a kitchen

in a retail store.

710

:

Yeah.

711

:

So it was basically like we picked the

space, but if they won't let us remove

712

:

the kitchen, we don't have a space.

713

:

Right.

714

:

So.

715

:

It will get pushed back on that request.

716

:

Uh, we just got vague

noncommittal answers.

717

:

Yeah.

718

:

Um, yeah, I don't think

that'd be a problem.

719

:

I don't think the, no, I

don't think they'll mind.

720

:

Is that a yes or a no.

721

:

They would never know who they were.

722

:

I mean, it was just, it was.

723

:

It was, yeah, it was very vague throughout

the entirety and it still remains vague.

724

:

Yeah.

725

:

So we basically knew in January, Hey,

if we don't commit to this inventory,

726

:

We're not going to get it until.

727

:

March of next year.

728

:

I don't want to open a

store heading into summer.

729

:

Right.

730

:

So.

731

:

Yep.

732

:

All that to say, once

we were like, fuck it.

733

:

Let's do it.

734

:

It was balls to the wall.

735

:

Yeah.

736

:

Oh, I love that.

737

:

And we were very, very lucky.

738

:

To have, you know, our.

739

:

Everything that's been done.

740

:

There has just been our very tiny circle

of friends that have jumped in and

741

:

basically made the whole thing possible.

742

:

Yeah.

743

:

Well, these are the times when you

call on your networks and call in

744

:

all the favors and it's like, you

got to pull out all the stops, if

745

:

you want to do it and do it right.

746

:

, I opened this business

almost 10 years ago.

747

:

And I went through that

whole build-out process.

748

:

I'm on my own.

749

:

I don't have a business partner and I had

just been fired from the job that I was

750

:

at before, because they had heard whispers

that I was wanting to go out on my own.

751

:

I had just broken off an

engagement with my fiance.

752

:

And so my build-out time

was like, not enjoyable.

753

:

It was like, Panic, just every day,

just I got to get money happening out of

754

:

the space as quickly as I possibly can.

755

:

And, uh, It's been interesting

watching, y'all go through this

756

:

and it's reminded me of that time.

757

:

And there's so many things

that I already know.

758

:

There's stuff that I think

that I like blocked out.

759

:

Because it was such a like trauma response

that I was doing it, but I think it's

760

:

such a beautiful and enjoyable experience.

761

:

When you're talking about a brick and

mortar business, because there's a

762

:

visible, tangible, Um, like cause and

effect, like you literally see this thing

763

:

you're creating, growing in front of you.

764

:

And, , it's really easy to

talk about opening a business.

765

:

Not a lot of people

follow through with it.

766

:

So it's like, it was nice little

reminder for me to be like this.

767

:

Isn't like a very big deal

to have a dream and implement

768

:

your dream and fucking do it.

769

:

And you've done such a good job.

770

:

Like.

771

:

If you're listening, you've

got to stop by guilty party.

772

:

They've done an amazing

job with their spaces.

773

:

Beautiful.

774

:

Thank you.

775

:

Yeah, well, and it was also kind of

crazy to think that we were opening a

776

:

brick and mortar clothing store and 2023.

777

:

Um, but that was that to me,

that's the most important aspect.

778

:

We wanted to create a experience

well, and experience a space for

779

:

people to come and like be around

this thing that wasn't here before.

780

:

You know, brands that have

never been here before and.

781

:

And also just people who have like, I

don't understand why this thing costs,

782

:

what it costs and we've already seen it.

783

:

We've been open for two weeks.

784

:

Where people come in and they touch it.

785

:

Yeah.

786

:

And they're like, holy shit.

787

:

Okay.

788

:

Tell tell me more.

789

:

Cause I, I, I'm starting to understand.

790

:

And you can't get that by

looking at a computer screen.

791

:

No.

792

:

Not at all, you know?

793

:

And it's, it's easy to write

like fancy words about.

794

:

All of this cost, this because of

this, this, this, but eventually

795

:

you have to experience it in person.

796

:

Absolutely.

797

:

And I think.

798

:

People don't want to take that.

799

:

Uh, initial, you know, $400 risk

just buying something online.

800

:

Yeah.

801

:

It, you know, you buy the wrong thing.

802

:

It fits like shit.

803

:

Then all of a sudden you're

like, I don't like that stuff.

804

:

It fits bad.

805

:

And, you know, I've helped.

806

:

Countless friends, like take that

initial leap and luckily enough,

807

:

we've gotten the fit rider.

808

:

Or something.

809

:

So like, You know, it's just been, that

has been the most important part to me.

810

:

Like the e-commerce part.

811

:

Is cool.

812

:

Yeah.

813

:

You know what I mean?

814

:

Like yeah, you have to,

you have to get your reach.

815

:

Going, but I wanted to

create a space where.

816

:

People could come and be

around and experience.

817

:

The good shit.

818

:

Yeah.

819

:

I think that's very important.

820

:

I think the online aspect is

supplemental because once people

821

:

know, oh, I'm this size of this brand.

822

:

I like this cut or the style

they can replenish from you.

823

:

They don't necessarily have to

make every purchase in person.

824

:

But I totally agree with you

when you're at that price point,

825

:

you've got to give people the

opportunity to, uh, Experience it.

826

:

Yeah, well, and we wanted

to, I'm sorry, go ahead.

827

:

We, we just, we want to be there to help.

828

:

And like, you know, there's already

been times where people have

829

:

come out of the dressing room.

830

:

And Heath, and I've been

like, That ain't the one.

831

:

Yeah.

832

:

Let's appreciate that honesty.

833

:

Let's let's try this.

834

:

And, uh, I, you know, it, same way, same

thing with when we're selling houses.

835

:

Is, we're not trying to sell you

some shit and get you out the door.

836

:

You know, we want you to love what

you get and know that we're we want

837

:

you to look good and feel good, right?

838

:

Absolutely.

839

:

Yes.

840

:

Deion Sanders, baby.

841

:

That's right.

842

:

That's what's been the most

surprising aspect of, uh, becoming.

843

:

Brick and mortar, small business owners.

844

:

I don't know that I'm surprised at all.

845

:

It's kind of.

846

:

Gone.

847

:

The way that I thought it was, uh, or

would, um, I do think the initial pop.

848

:

Was surprising.

849

:

What do you mean?

850

:

Um, well, let's say, I mean, we've

only been open for the, in the

851

:

grand scheme of things, 30 minutes.

852

:

So.

853

:

It's very, very.

854

:

It's in its infancy, but you know,

the initial opening and that,

855

:

that week of shopping was far

better than I thought it would be.

856

:

That's fabulous, but it.

857

:

The most surprising thing for me is

that there really are people here.

858

:

Who want this stuff?

859

:

You know, it's not just me and

champion a handful of other

860

:

people who, you know, just kind

of think we had this underground.

861

:

Clothing knowledge.

862

:

I mean, there's a lot of

people here who really want.

863

:

Quality clothes and that's.

864

:

It's got to feel good.

865

:

Phew.

866

:

I think the most surprising

thing to me is that a.

867

:

Landlords in Atlanta, don't give a shit.

868

:

If they're leased, if their

spaces are leased or not.

869

:

That's another thing.

870

:

Yeah, they don't give a shit.

871

:

Don't give a fuck.

872

:

It is the worst part of like,

if I could have the same.

873

:

Revenue I do online only.

874

:

I would not have a brick and mortar.

875

:

Just based on my experience, dealing

with these assholes for 10 years.

876

:

Shout out, shout out pizzas.

877

:

Properties.

878

:

I don't give a fuck.

879

:

Um, and bran fucking management.

880

:

But like,

881

:

That added component of we don't

own these spaces and there's this.

882

:

Intermediary level that you have

to deal with and it's annoying

883

:

and it's inefficient as hell.

884

:

Yes.

885

:

Um, And y'all had a bunch of, of

leaks recently, did that get resolved?

886

:

There were nine.

887

:

Uh, during one.

888

:

Rainstorm.

889

:

And mind you, it's not like.

890

:

It hasn't rained and you know that

we just had other links repair.

891

:

Yeah.

892

:

Like within six weeks.

893

:

To be fair.

894

:

This was a fucking down.

895

:

It wasn't torrential down.

896

:

It was, it was crazy.

897

:

We were leaking from both sides

down the entirety of this beam.

898

:

I mean.

899

:

It was, it was rough.

900

:

And whenever, you know your

livelihood for that store, Are.

901

:

Decently expensive.

902

:

Garments that are getting rained on.

903

:

They're made to order.

904

:

Yeah.

905

:

And like, if, you know, say, say

this pair of jeans gets ruined.

906

:

It might be, it might be three months.

907

:

It might be six months.

908

:

It might be a year before

I can get more of those.

909

:

Yeah.

910

:

Luckily we, we merchandise the store.

911

:

Knowing that okay.

912

:

There have been leaks here before.

913

:

Yeah, so we merchandised around it.

914

:

So it was, it was fine.

915

:

Okay.

916

:

This is good, but, uh, yeah, we we're.

917

:

We're too polite, little Southern boys.

918

:

But, but not that day.

919

:

You can not put up very strongly worded

email oh, I wanted to tell you all this.

920

:

I have a crazy story of the first

time I learned about Japanese denim.

921

:

Okay.

922

:

And this is how I know that

people are so passionate about it.

923

:

, I was on a first date and de.

924

:

You know that abandoned parking lot

across from the old Turner field.

925

:

And how they do those, like carnivals

they're a couple of times a year.

926

:

Yeah.

927

:

And they also do the black circus.

928

:

Oh, really?

929

:

Oh, yeah.

930

:

I bet that the fucking blast

it is, I've been twice.

931

:

Ooh, I'm going to go.

932

:

, so me and this guy, we go

it's the middle of the day.

933

:

And we went to this carnival and he was

wearing a pair of Japanese set of jeans.

934

:

I don't remember the brand.

935

:

, but I think I was just like, oh, you look

nice or whatever, like casual bullshit.

936

:

You say on a first date.

937

:

Um, he's like, can I

tell you about my jeans?

938

:

And I was like, oh, sure.

939

:

That's better than him

saying, can I take them off?

940

:

Wow.

941

:

Just wait.

942

:

Um, but he go, I mean, I swear it has

to have been like 30 minutes of like

943

:

in-depth Japanese denim knowledge and I.

944

:

I actually do think it is interesting, but

like when you're first meeting person, I

945

:

was like, all right, calm down, rain, man.

946

:

I'm like, got it.

947

:

, we had a lovely date, um, and we saw

each other a couple times after that.

948

:

But then like, Stuff just

started to not add up.

949

:

And I did a little investigative

journalism and I found

950

:

out this man was married.

951

:

And so I found his wife.

952

:

On Instagram.

953

:

And I told her.

954

:

About his denim.

955

:

Your husband likes expensive.

956

:

No.

957

:

I said, I've been on a couple

of dates with your husband.

958

:

Um, and like, I didn't know,

he had a significant other and,

959

:

you know, sorry to bother you.

960

:

Uh, If you want to know my heart more

like happy to share, if not like.

961

:

Have a good day and she likes.

962

:

Hawkins of Clover.

963

:

Oh, you're at it.

964

:

No, but she was like,

can we have a phone call?

965

:

And I was like, yeah.

966

:

Um, we had a two hour phone call and

she was like, I knew that motherfucker

967

:

was a liar, but I thought it was like

hiding taco bell, not cheating on me.

968

:

And she was like, can

you send me screenshots?

969

:

I have not had an affair with you.

970

:

Um, no, but I sent her

screenshots of everything and

971

:

she used them and divorced him.

972

:

So, well, okay.

973

:

Disclaimer things.

974

:

Sorry about that.

975

:

I don't care.

976

:

Because this dude's still wearing denim.

977

:

He's probably going to be, he's

probably one of your customers.

978

:

Let me just.

979

:

Japanese denim does not lead

to divorce all the time.

980

:

That's true.

981

:

Just half the time.

982

:

It's true.

983

:

Just when you're a piece of shit,

just when you're a piece of shit.

984

:

But I just thought that was so funny.

985

:

I was like, Tiffany said, I was like,

I know I've heard of this before.

986

:

Oh, yeah, that that little date.

987

:

This is forever.

988

:

Nevermind.

989

:

Reminding you about all the fun stuff.

990

:

I got a book therapy after this.

991

:

Now.

992

:

Um, well, okay.

993

:

Uh, do you want to ask you about this?

994

:

, As the, as a hairdresser, I hear

people all the time talk about

995

:

business ideas and I watched them

not actually follow through on them.

996

:

So, uh, other than I know we talk

about kind of just like the stars

997

:

aligning and you, you whittled

away the reasons not to do this.

998

:

Was there like a thing or a

specific moment where it was like,

999

:

we're going to fucking do this.

:

00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:36,632

I mean, mine was Heath

kind of reigniting the.

:

00:34:37,503 --> 00:34:38,583

Hey, this still isn't here.

:

00:34:38,612 --> 00:34:38,943

Why?

:

00:34:39,063 --> 00:34:39,513

Yeah.

:

00:34:40,322 --> 00:34:40,862

Uh, yeah.

:

00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:42,873

And that's basically, I

think it kind of started.

:

00:34:43,263 --> 00:34:45,632

Kind of like a, Hey, why

aren't we doing this?

:

00:34:45,693 --> 00:34:46,652

We need to do this.

:

00:34:46,683 --> 00:34:50,733

And I think once I saw the champ,

Had wheels turning and what's

:

00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:52,203

even really considering it.

:

00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:56,943

Uh, we kind of started just like

meeting up once a week just to talk

:

00:34:56,943 --> 00:34:59,133

about it and then we'd go play golf.

:

00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:02,193

And that's what we talk about the

entire time we were out there.

:

00:35:03,003 --> 00:35:04,203

Uh, and then I think.

:

00:35:04,563 --> 00:35:09,063

Casually talking about it enough

in front of our wives and them not

:

00:35:09,093 --> 00:35:12,423

shutting it down immediately was

kind of like let's green light.

:

00:35:12,453 --> 00:35:12,543

It.

:

00:35:13,833 --> 00:35:16,683

Also my, my wife, Marissa was

basically like, Hey, you've

:

00:35:16,683 --> 00:35:17,763

wanted to do this forever.

:

00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:19,293

Yeah, just fucking do it.

:

00:35:19,683 --> 00:35:21,303

But if you're going to do it, do it right.

:

00:35:21,633 --> 00:35:21,933

Fuck.

:

00:35:21,933 --> 00:35:22,023

Yeah.

:

00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:22,563

Larissa.

:

00:35:22,593 --> 00:35:22,803

Yeah.

:

00:35:23,253 --> 00:35:24,063

She's a bad-ass.

:

00:35:24,573 --> 00:35:24,993

1%.

:

00:35:25,203 --> 00:35:25,893

That's awesome.

:

00:35:26,313 --> 00:35:27,843

, How did you, I don't know.

:

00:35:27,903 --> 00:35:29,643

You don't have to share this if you

don't wanna answer this question,

:

00:35:29,643 --> 00:35:32,513

but like, Financing, , had you

been planning for a long time?

:

00:35:32,513 --> 00:35:33,353

How did you go about that?

:

00:35:33,353 --> 00:35:36,233

Because I think that's a stumbling

block that a lot of people can't

:

00:35:36,233 --> 00:35:38,273

get past when they're talking

about opening a new business,

:

00:35:38,303 --> 00:35:39,893

especially something that requires.

:

00:35:40,313 --> 00:35:41,693

A lot of upfront expense.

:

00:35:41,993 --> 00:35:42,773

Inventory.

:

00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:45,503

Um, luckily we are both homeowners.

:

00:35:46,253 --> 00:35:49,883

So, you know, we, we looked

at every possible avenue.

:

00:35:49,883 --> 00:35:50,393

We had.

:

00:35:51,263 --> 00:35:52,673

Uh, lists of people.

:

00:35:52,673 --> 00:35:55,343

We were going to do friends

and family investments.

:

00:35:56,093 --> 00:35:59,123

You know, Heath and I are not ones

to want to borrow money from people.

:

00:35:59,243 --> 00:35:59,633

Same.

:

00:36:00,203 --> 00:36:01,793

Um, we knew that.

:

00:36:02,213 --> 00:36:04,133

Nobody was going to loan us money on a.

:

00:36:05,153 --> 00:36:06,503

Brick and mortar clothing.

:

00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:07,553

Retail store.

:

00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:07,883

Yeah.

:

00:36:08,423 --> 00:36:11,993

Um, So luckily, you know,

we both owned our homes and.

:

00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:13,253

We're like.

:

00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:15,053

Hey, you know, let's better ourselves.

:

00:36:15,203 --> 00:36:15,893

And so we did.

:

00:36:16,193 --> 00:36:17,663

Home equity lines of credits.

:

00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:19,793

Well, he lost, he's called a hilar.

:

00:36:19,823 --> 00:36:20,063

Yeah, we.

:

00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:21,233

He locks and.

:

00:36:21,863 --> 00:36:24,173

And so we did that and,

and, you know, we've.

:

00:36:24,173 --> 00:36:27,623

We've leaned on friends, you know,

to, as far as like the build-out.

:

00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:29,783

And we, you know, obviously paid them.

:

00:36:29,783 --> 00:36:31,493

Paid them fairly and, you know, but.

:

00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:35,783

We tried to also go back to like what

it was like touring all the time, where.

:

00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:37,283

Hey, we have to do everything.

:

00:36:37,283 --> 00:36:39,173

As creatively and.

:

00:36:39,743 --> 00:36:42,443

I don't want to say cheaply because

I don't think we did anything cheap.

:

00:36:42,653 --> 00:36:43,853

Yeah, no, but you have to be mindful.

:

00:36:43,883 --> 00:36:43,943

You.

:

00:36:43,973 --> 00:36:44,783

Have to be mindful.

:

00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:47,003

And, uh, you know, I mean, it's still.

:

00:36:47,603 --> 00:36:49,313

Like, I mean, it's it.

:

00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:53,363

Kind of fucked me in the head of like, Oh,

you were supposed to be like making money.

:

00:36:53,513 --> 00:36:53,963

Yeah.

:

00:36:54,113 --> 00:36:54,683

You know what I mean?

:

00:36:54,683 --> 00:36:55,913

Like this eventually is.

:

00:36:56,813 --> 00:37:00,143

This is eventually going to, like,

there's going to be money coming

:

00:37:00,143 --> 00:37:01,703

in that helps pay for this stuff.

:

00:37:01,763 --> 00:37:02,063

Yeah.

:

00:37:02,063 --> 00:37:03,623

And, uh, that's the fun part.

:

00:37:04,673 --> 00:37:05,453

I'm still waiting for it.

:

00:37:05,453 --> 00:37:06,443

It's still a little weird.

:

00:37:06,683 --> 00:37:07,703

You know, once.

:

00:37:08,513 --> 00:37:11,393

We look at the end of the

day of what we've sold and if

:

00:37:11,393 --> 00:37:13,193

there's a profit dollar there.

:

00:37:13,253 --> 00:37:13,583

Yeah.

:

00:37:13,823 --> 00:37:17,723

It's still very odd to me

because we've spent almost a

:

00:37:17,723 --> 00:37:19,733

year just shelling out money.

:

00:37:19,823 --> 00:37:20,513

Absolutely.

:

00:37:20,543 --> 00:37:21,683

So it'll come back.

:

00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:22,493

It'll come back.

:

00:37:22,583 --> 00:37:22,763

Yeah.

:

00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:27,443

How did you decide on your division

of labor between the two of you?

:

00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:30,623

Because I think that there's a huge, I

mean, going into business with somebody

:

00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:34,133

versus being a solo entrepreneur, I

mean, two very different experiences.

:

00:37:34,493 --> 00:37:35,603

, has it been an organic thing?

:

00:37:35,633 --> 00:37:36,983

Has it been an intentional thing?

:

00:37:37,013 --> 00:37:38,903

Who does, what, how did you decide.

:

00:37:39,413 --> 00:37:41,183

It's been organic.

:

00:37:41,183 --> 00:37:44,573

And now that we are up and running.

:

00:37:44,573 --> 00:37:47,993

it's getting more and we'll

become more intentional.

:

00:37:48,173 --> 00:37:48,833

And laid out.

:

00:37:48,833 --> 00:37:53,453

I think champ, uh, has by and

large done the heavy lifting.

:

00:37:54,203 --> 00:37:55,943

A knowing about retail.

:

00:37:56,663 --> 00:37:58,613

Um, But B.

:

00:37:58,613 --> 00:38:01,013

I don't know if you can

tell my hair is white.

:

00:38:01,463 --> 00:38:05,153

Uh, so, you know, The beautiful silver.

:

00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:07,013

I'm still getting used to the online.

:

00:38:07,103 --> 00:38:10,073

You know, so he's gone and like really.

:

00:38:10,523 --> 00:38:15,743

The nuts and bolts of like our

website of, um, uh, getting,

:

00:38:15,773 --> 00:38:17,633

uh, an internet presence there.

:

00:38:18,143 --> 00:38:20,663

Um, I do more of the, Hey.

:

00:38:21,263 --> 00:38:24,263

The toilet paper roll fell

off the wall, put it back on.

:

00:38:25,043 --> 00:38:26,693

Um, Brains and brawn.

:

00:38:26,753 --> 00:38:26,993

Yeah.

:

00:38:28,643 --> 00:38:31,253

So we just actually had

a discussion about this.

:

00:38:31,253 --> 00:38:35,603

So we're, we're going to

figure out our lanes, I think.

:

00:38:35,633 --> 00:38:35,993

Yeah.

:

00:38:36,533 --> 00:38:37,553

Uh, as we go.

:

00:38:37,973 --> 00:38:40,793

It's it's all about solid communication.

:

00:38:41,033 --> 00:38:41,573

Oh yeah.

:

00:38:41,603 --> 00:38:42,713

You know, Good relationship.

:

00:38:42,803 --> 00:38:43,223

Exactly.

:

00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:48,443

And, you know, I think we want to make

it a point to like, Not let things just.

:

00:38:48,443 --> 00:38:50,843

Fall by the wayside and

then eventually blow up.

:

00:38:51,983 --> 00:38:55,103

So it was just solid communication

and like, And we'll figure out.

:

00:38:55,103 --> 00:38:56,243

Designated roles.

:

00:38:56,933 --> 00:38:59,483

Yeah and stuff, but right now,

like, You know, I think we'd like

:

00:38:59,513 --> 00:39:03,683

to make sure the other person is

involved in almost every decision.

:

00:39:04,373 --> 00:39:06,623

Because, you know, there's two of us.

:

00:39:06,983 --> 00:39:07,943

You know, I mean, we're.

:

00:39:07,943 --> 00:39:10,733

Multiple brands, multiple

seasons of stuff.

:

00:39:10,763 --> 00:39:11,063

Like.

:

00:39:11,063 --> 00:39:12,623

It's not just going to be one person.

:

00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:14,063

Making all the orders.

:

00:39:14,123 --> 00:39:16,163

So we get together and we're

like, do you like this?

:

00:39:16,163 --> 00:39:16,883

Do you like that?

:

00:39:17,603 --> 00:39:19,313

Do you think Atlanta will like this?

:

00:39:19,403 --> 00:39:21,413

You know, so curating.

:

00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:22,733

A selection.

:

00:39:22,776 --> 00:39:25,273

It's a lot of, you know,

Conversations back and forth.

:

00:39:25,843 --> 00:39:28,003

I did lean on Heath and be like, can you.

:

00:39:28,003 --> 00:39:29,173

Can you do the finances?

:

00:39:29,203 --> 00:39:30,853

Because that ain't my strong suit.

:

00:39:30,943 --> 00:39:31,333

Okay.

:

00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:32,683

It ain't our strong suit.

:

00:39:33,013 --> 00:39:35,353

I think that I'm just a touch.

:

00:39:35,353 --> 00:39:36,403

More scared of.

:

00:39:36,403 --> 00:39:37,273

Of debt.

:

00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,263

I don't mind carrying a

balance on a credit card.

:

00:39:41,383 --> 00:39:41,503

They.

:

00:39:41,503 --> 00:39:42,493

It keeps him up at night.

:

00:39:42,793 --> 00:39:43,213

Oh man.

:

00:39:43,393 --> 00:39:44,203

Well, the key yet.

:

00:39:44,473 --> 00:39:47,113

This is so I didn't take out any loans.

:

00:39:47,113 --> 00:39:48,673

I'd sell finance, all of this.

:

00:39:48,723 --> 00:39:52,203

, Which was there's pros and cons of, um,

but I'm a big fan of the interest free

:

00:39:52,203 --> 00:39:54,123

credit card for like 18 to 24 months.

:

00:39:54,123 --> 00:39:55,743

And I just load that motherfucker up.

:

00:39:56,193 --> 00:39:59,103

Do all my inventory shopping

and then like pay it off slowly.

:

00:39:59,253 --> 00:40:02,403

So my thing is like, if you can avoid

interest, it's technically free money.

:

00:40:02,853 --> 00:40:05,343

Are you doing that under your

name or under the business?

:

00:40:07,293 --> 00:40:07,503

Yeah.

:

00:40:07,593 --> 00:40:12,513

Well, our main credit card is ju

is, you know, we have no business.

:

00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:13,953

To put it under.

:

00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:16,233

So hopefully we can parlay.

:

00:40:16,713 --> 00:40:20,403

You know, doing that in the future,

but right now we have a business

:

00:40:20,403 --> 00:40:22,713

to put it on, or you're saying we

don't have, we don't, we don't have

:

00:40:22,713 --> 00:40:24,333

the clout for them to be like, sure.

:

00:40:24,333 --> 00:40:25,413

We'll give you a bunch of money.

:

00:40:25,473 --> 00:40:25,503

You.

:

00:40:26,043 --> 00:40:27,393

Right now they're like, oh, cool.

:

00:40:27,393 --> 00:40:29,313

You been open for five minutes?

:

00:40:29,373 --> 00:40:29,583

Yeah.

:

00:40:29,913 --> 00:40:31,413

So, yeah.

:

00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:33,873

Eventually we'll, we'll

definitely explore that.

:

00:40:33,963 --> 00:40:34,803

Yeah, absolutely.

:

00:40:35,043 --> 00:40:38,373

I try to keep my personal business stuff

separate as much as I can, but I mean,

:

00:40:38,373 --> 00:40:40,593

it's, there's a lot of cross-pollination.

:

00:40:40,883 --> 00:40:43,523

but as you know, like, you can write

off fucking everything like your

:

00:40:43,523 --> 00:40:45,713

cars, every trip you take, like, bro.

:

00:40:45,713 --> 00:40:46,553

It's so good.

:

00:40:46,583 --> 00:40:47,303

Hey, don't forget.

:

00:40:47,303 --> 00:40:48,683

We're both realtors.

:

00:40:49,253 --> 00:40:50,663

We already write off everything.

:

00:40:50,723 --> 00:40:50,993

Yeah.

:

00:40:50,993 --> 00:40:52,043

You already know you already, you.

:

00:40:52,073 --> 00:40:53,063

You got every coffee.

:

00:40:53,063 --> 00:40:53,843

I get every.

:

00:40:54,173 --> 00:40:55,823

Isn't this 100%.

:

00:40:56,153 --> 00:40:58,253

I've never had a meal that

wasn't a business expense.

:

00:40:58,283 --> 00:40:58,463

Yeah.

:

00:40:58,973 --> 00:40:59,393

Because.

:

00:41:00,413 --> 00:41:01,943

My wife, also a realtor.

:

00:41:02,123 --> 00:41:04,043

Yeah, every meal.

:

00:41:04,283 --> 00:41:07,133

Yeah, real estate is talked

about, of course business.

:

00:41:07,193 --> 00:41:07,523

Yeah.

:

00:41:07,733 --> 00:41:09,293

But that also literally is true.

:

00:41:09,293 --> 00:41:12,053

Like when you're in that type of

industry, your friends become your

:

00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:13,343

clients, become your colleagues.

:

00:41:13,523 --> 00:41:16,643

It's there's so much intermixing of that,

but it's like, we're going to talk about

:

00:41:16,643 --> 00:41:18,323

work well, and that's, that's how we run.

:

00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:22,283

Run our real estate business and

also with guilty party is it's.

:

00:41:22,433 --> 00:41:22,943

It's all.

:

00:41:23,033 --> 00:41:24,113

Uh, Our sphere.

:

00:41:24,863 --> 00:41:27,173

You know, it's

relationship-based, it's not just.

:

00:41:27,773 --> 00:41:29,513

Casting the widest net and just.

:

00:41:29,513 --> 00:41:30,923

You know, get a bunch of stragglers.

:

00:41:30,923 --> 00:41:32,243

It's fuck those stragglers.

:

00:41:32,783 --> 00:41:33,413

Yeah, dammit.

:

00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:34,013

I agree with you.

:

00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:37,793

I think you have to be niche and

the more clear about who you are.

:

00:41:38,963 --> 00:41:40,673

Chuck has iced coffee.

:

00:41:43,793 --> 00:41:46,283

Um, I think there was a misconception.

:

00:41:46,283 --> 00:41:49,193

Uh, like I think if you go to college

and like, learn about business, it's

:

00:41:49,223 --> 00:41:50,813

like, you've got to study the market.

:

00:41:50,843 --> 00:41:52,253

You've got to be everything

to everybody entered.

:

00:41:52,523 --> 00:41:54,773

And it's like, I have found in

10 years of doing this, that

:

00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:56,033

that's completely incorrect.

:

00:41:56,273 --> 00:42:00,503

I want people to come to my shop, go to

my website, go to my Instagram, listen to

:

00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:04,193

this podcast and be like, Nope, not for

me, because what that means is that I've.

:

00:42:04,703 --> 00:42:07,403

Put my stake in the ground and I've

made it clear about like who I am

:

00:42:07,403 --> 00:42:08,663

and why I'm doing what I'm doing.

:

00:42:08,723 --> 00:42:08,753

Yeah.

:

00:42:08,783 --> 00:42:10,403

Yeah, you don't, you can't

be everything to everyone.

:

00:42:10,713 --> 00:42:13,263

, so why try, like I look to be real niche.

:

00:42:13,683 --> 00:42:14,193

I like that.

:

00:42:14,853 --> 00:42:15,693

Oh, that's your home.

:

00:42:16,563 --> 00:42:18,353

Um, I can't remember.

:

00:42:18,383 --> 00:42:21,143

I already asked you this has

anything gone, colossally wrong.

:

00:42:22,643 --> 00:42:23,453

Other than the flood.

:

00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:29,753

I mean, as bad as that was, it

could have been so much worse.

:

00:42:29,963 --> 00:42:30,593

That's true.

:

00:42:30,653 --> 00:42:30,863

Yeah.

:

00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:32,033

Positive.

:

00:42:32,873 --> 00:42:34,613

That's the only positive

thing I'll say all day.

:

00:42:37,553 --> 00:42:39,443

Um, my little Ray of sunshine.

:

00:42:40,403 --> 00:42:40,643

No.

:

00:42:41,003 --> 00:42:45,233

So far everything has,

has run fairly smooth.

:

00:42:45,233 --> 00:42:45,593

That's great.

:

00:42:45,623 --> 00:42:49,043

Um, but we've, you know, I think

with 10 years worth of, not that

:

00:42:49,043 --> 00:42:50,003

they're the same thing, but.

:

00:42:50,003 --> 00:42:53,183

You know, doing real estate

deals, you kind of learn that.

:

00:42:53,693 --> 00:42:54,683

You have to be fluid.

:

00:42:54,953 --> 00:42:55,373

Oh, yeah.

:

00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:56,093

You know what I mean?

:

00:42:56,093 --> 00:42:59,393

If you line everything up

like a, a game of dominoes.

:

00:43:00,263 --> 00:43:00,863

You're fucked.

:

00:43:00,923 --> 00:43:01,463

You're fucked.

:

00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:02,153

Agreed.

:

00:43:02,213 --> 00:43:04,313

And so, you know, while we did.

:

00:43:04,313 --> 00:43:09,293

We had a date in our lease that we had

to be open by, which happened to be.

:

00:43:09,653 --> 00:43:12,353

About a week, past the

day we wanted to be open.

:

00:43:12,473 --> 00:43:12,803

Okay.

:

00:43:12,803 --> 00:43:17,003

But we were built out with

merchandise in the store.

:

00:43:17,003 --> 00:43:18,983

Two and a half months before.

:

00:43:19,043 --> 00:43:19,463

Yeah.

:

00:43:19,943 --> 00:43:22,673

Because we wanted to like, feel the space.

:

00:43:23,573 --> 00:43:25,073

Make sure we had inventory.

:

00:43:25,913 --> 00:43:30,293

Workout kinks, which, you know, This

was not colossal, but like, so we

:

00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:33,053

have a 14 foot Walnut floating shelf.

:

00:43:33,143 --> 00:43:33,503

Yeah.

:

00:43:33,773 --> 00:43:34,793

With a hanging rod.

:

00:43:34,793 --> 00:43:37,793

That holds 14 feet worth of clothing.

:

00:43:37,913 --> 00:43:38,213

Yeah.

:

00:43:38,233 --> 00:43:40,333

And I mean, amazing.

:

00:43:40,873 --> 00:43:44,563

Craftsmanship like fucking

bolted into that wall.

:

00:43:45,299 --> 00:43:47,849

Um, he was in fixing something else.

:

00:43:48,329 --> 00:43:51,179

And he, and I were like, Hey,

can you just look at that shelf

:

00:43:51,179 --> 00:43:52,499

and make sure it's it's good.

:

00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,779

Cause it looks a little like polling.

:

00:43:55,423 --> 00:43:56,593

And he said, you know, it's fine.

:

00:43:56,593 --> 00:43:59,173

And then he looked and he's like,

how, how do you describe him?

:

00:43:59,173 --> 00:43:59,953

Like.

:

00:44:00,883 --> 00:44:04,183

Uh, just a very, very

country idiot savant.

:

00:44:04,543 --> 00:44:04,903

There you go.

:

00:44:05,623 --> 00:44:05,893

Yeah.

:

00:44:06,673 --> 00:44:08,923

He speaks incredibly like molasses.

:

00:44:08,953 --> 00:44:09,403

Okay.

:

00:44:09,763 --> 00:44:13,303

But he is a woodworking magician.

:

00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:14,263

Oh, he's fucking awesome.

:

00:44:14,353 --> 00:44:14,893

That's great.

:

00:44:14,923 --> 00:44:19,063

So, you know, we weren't open

and we had a time where I could

:

00:44:19,063 --> 00:44:20,683

be like, can you look at this?

:

00:44:21,223 --> 00:44:22,363

And finally he looked.

:

00:44:23,053 --> 00:44:25,573

And you looked again and

then I could tell like, oh,

:

00:44:26,409 --> 00:44:29,349

And so it was, well,

now we have to fix this.

:

00:44:29,469 --> 00:44:31,149

Yeah, and we're not open yet.

:

00:44:31,209 --> 00:44:31,749

Thankfully.

:

00:44:31,929 --> 00:44:33,879

So we're working through

these kinks before we opened.

:

00:44:34,869 --> 00:44:35,919

And we fixed it.

:

00:44:35,949 --> 00:44:37,119

It looks way cooler now.

:

00:44:37,899 --> 00:44:40,479

So I think we've put ourselves

in a position to where.

:

00:44:41,139 --> 00:44:43,749

We've allowed time for fuck ups to happen.

:

00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:44,349

Yeah.

:

00:44:44,469 --> 00:44:46,959

Without major consequences.

:

00:44:46,959 --> 00:44:48,639

Now that, just, that just means.

:

00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:50,589

Something fucked up is

just around the corner.

:

00:44:51,279 --> 00:44:54,729

Well, I was talking about this on the

last episode that is entrepreneurship.

:

00:44:54,909 --> 00:44:57,699

Like it's something fucked up is

always going to be around the corner.

:

00:44:57,699 --> 00:45:00,579

It's just, it's going to

get like, it just scales.

:

00:45:00,969 --> 00:45:04,839

But once you, once you realize that

flow, and I think it's not dissimilar

:

00:45:04,839 --> 00:45:07,799

to real estate and anything where

there's other people involved, right?

:

00:45:07,799 --> 00:45:08,759

It's like you learn.

:

00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:11,729

Like you said to be fluid and

adaptable, stuff's going to go wrong.

:

00:45:11,729 --> 00:45:14,219

But at the end of the day, we're

going to get this deal closed.

:

00:45:14,339 --> 00:45:15,179

It's going to be fine.

:

00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,219

I wanna know how you learn

stuff in real estate.

:

00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:18,959

How you fuck something up.

:

00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:23,159

Oh, or someone else, folks, something

up and you, you go into fix it mode.

:

00:45:23,189 --> 00:45:23,639

Yeah.

:

00:45:24,029 --> 00:45:27,869

And that's how you learn that's I

mean, As long as you're learning.

:

00:45:28,499 --> 00:45:29,699

They don't, they don't teach you that.

:

00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:31,589

Oh, in the conferences.

:

00:45:31,709 --> 00:45:33,809

Yeah, just go out there

and fuck something up.

:

00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:34,319

You'll learn.

:

00:45:34,379 --> 00:45:35,219

You'll learn real fast.

:

00:45:35,249 --> 00:45:36,359

That is a great way to learn though.

:

00:45:36,389 --> 00:45:37,319

I mean, it's like cooking.

:

00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:38,369

It's like, oh, too much salt.

:

00:45:38,399 --> 00:45:38,789

Next time.

:

00:45:38,789 --> 00:45:39,269

I'll use less.

:

00:45:39,299 --> 00:45:39,419

No.

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00:45:39,869 --> 00:45:40,259

Done.

:

00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,979

, speaking of learning, what's

your educational backgrounds?

:

00:45:42,979 --> 00:45:43,759

Did you all go to college?

:

00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,909

Uh, I went to like 80 colleges and.

:

00:45:47,389 --> 00:45:48,769

Never finished any of them.

:

00:45:48,799 --> 00:45:49,129

Okay.

:

00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:53,479

But I do have a biology degree from

LSU that I bought off of the dark web.

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00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:56,149

For a $120.

:

00:45:56,149 --> 00:45:59,659

And my plan was to just let it fall out

of like briefcases and interviews and

:

00:45:59,659 --> 00:46:02,119

go like, oh shit, my biology degree.

:

00:46:02,389 --> 00:46:03,319

And then I would just put her back.

:

00:46:04,369 --> 00:46:05,599

No need to call these guys.

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00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:06,169

You bought cars.

:

00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:06,949

You've already seen that.

:

00:46:07,429 --> 00:46:07,669

So.

:

00:46:09,409 --> 00:46:09,709

Yeah.

:

00:46:10,249 --> 00:46:12,559

But, I mean, Hey, that's,

that's dealing with Heath.

:

00:46:12,619 --> 00:46:14,899

I also, you say that

there's no way that's true.

:

00:46:14,899 --> 00:46:16,129

And then he has photo evidence.

:

00:46:16,369 --> 00:46:19,789

When you call my wife is she's

bitches about it all the time.

:

00:46:19,999 --> 00:46:21,319

That's not your fake diploma wall.

:

00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:23,089

We were very poor at the time.

:

00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:24,259

And she was like, what the fuck?

:

00:46:24,259 --> 00:46:28,669

And I mean, honestly, it should

be like, I accessed the dark web.

:

00:46:28,909 --> 00:46:30,469

And I came out with a college degree.

:

00:46:30,739 --> 00:46:31,489

Y'all should be.

:

00:46:32,569 --> 00:46:33,769

You all should be praising me.

:

00:46:34,549 --> 00:46:35,839

So many other things I could've done.

:

00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:36,889

It's insane.

:

00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:40,459

You're telling me the story, because

I remember back to my bad dumb date

:

00:46:40,459 --> 00:46:43,219

guy when I was on my two hour phone

call with his wife and she was like,

:

00:46:43,219 --> 00:46:44,149

Hey, can we was a fucking liar.

:

00:46:44,389 --> 00:46:47,569

He lied about graduating from

college and he made a fake diploma.

:

00:46:50,929 --> 00:46:51,889

are you sure this wasn't.

:

00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,979

I bought it right in her face.

:

00:46:57,379 --> 00:46:57,859

Oh, my God.

:

00:46:57,859 --> 00:46:58,459

That's amazing.

:

00:46:58,519 --> 00:46:59,989

What else have you bought on the dark web?

:

00:47:00,019 --> 00:47:00,619

That's it?

:

00:47:00,649 --> 00:47:01,489

That's what I'm saying.

:

00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,109

I've accessed at once.

:

00:47:03,619 --> 00:47:06,259

And I came out with a 4.0 GPA.

:

00:47:06,289 --> 00:47:07,489

I graduated Magna cum.

:

00:47:07,489 --> 00:47:07,849

Wow.

:

00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,429

I have my fucking transcripts.

:

00:47:10,459 --> 00:47:12,079

I know what days I miss class.

:

00:47:12,289 --> 00:47:12,979

Are you kidding?

:

00:47:13,129 --> 00:47:14,839

Yeah, there's a lot of

shit on the dark web.

:

00:47:14,899 --> 00:47:15,889

Can you get me a diploma?

:

00:47:16,009 --> 00:47:17,029

Oh, absolutely.

:

00:47:18,049 --> 00:47:18,859

Dartmouth.

:

00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:20,029

Law.

:

00:47:20,149 --> 00:47:20,809

That's what I want.

:

00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:21,409

You got it.

:

00:47:21,439 --> 00:47:24,409

You got to go in casual,

like to a state school.

:

00:47:24,769 --> 00:47:26,149

You can't go Ivy league.

:

00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:27,949

And then go to law school.

:

00:47:27,949 --> 00:47:29,029

You have to be something like, okay.

:

00:47:29,029 --> 00:47:29,209

Yeah.

:

00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,339

He probably has a general biology.

:

00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:32,209

Mel issue.

:

00:47:32,269 --> 00:47:32,839

Wholesale

:

00:47:34,579 --> 00:47:34,939

champ.

:

00:47:34,939 --> 00:47:36,349

Do you have a real or fake degree?

:

00:47:37,459 --> 00:47:38,539

I graduated high school.

:

00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:39,769

Sam.

:

00:47:40,279 --> 00:47:40,939

Good story, huh?

:

00:47:42,049 --> 00:47:43,639

I did graduate from hair school.

:

00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,539

Oh, yeah.

:

00:47:44,689 --> 00:47:45,619

We do talk about this.

:

00:47:45,619 --> 00:47:45,919

Okay.

:

00:47:45,919 --> 00:47:47,449

So everyone knows I'm here to care for.

:

00:47:47,959 --> 00:47:51,949

From Tony and guy, Tony and got,

uh, that's like enemy territory.

:

00:47:51,949 --> 00:47:52,999

I'm an Aveda girl.

:

00:47:52,999 --> 00:47:54,379

He's a Tony and Gaia guy.

:

00:47:54,529 --> 00:47:55,939

Um, but, but you don't.

:

00:47:55,939 --> 00:47:56,839

How long did you do here for.

:

00:47:57,529 --> 00:47:59,479

About five minutes, five minutes.

:

00:47:59,509 --> 00:47:59,539

Why?

:

00:47:59,569 --> 00:48:00,379

Why you didn't like it.

:

00:48:01,579 --> 00:48:03,409

Um, Looking at his hair.

:

00:48:03,469 --> 00:48:03,799

Yeah.

:

00:48:08,029 --> 00:48:10,159

Uh, Homemade away from success.

:

00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,849

I, uh, I, I didn't.

:

00:48:14,479 --> 00:48:15,979

I was touring a lot at the time.

:

00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:18,439

I didn't have the time

to build a clientele.

:

00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:24,289

Uh, I don't know if other people out

there who do hair for other people.

:

00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:26,539

That's not a booth rent.

:

00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:29,959

Get their paychecks and wonder

where the fuck all my money is.

:

00:48:30,799 --> 00:48:34,279

Um, I just wasn't for me.

:

00:48:34,489 --> 00:48:42,169

Um, And I still do hair at my house, in

my kitchen for a dozen people that I've

:

00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:46,489

just kept along the way, who don't want to

go start a new relationship with someone.

:

00:48:46,669 --> 00:48:49,279

I get that, but I would gladly

like to stop cutting here.

:

00:48:50,629 --> 00:48:52,459

I hope none of those 12

people are listening to this.

:

00:48:52,999 --> 00:48:54,799

If one of those 12 people.

:

00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:55,789

Can you hear.

:

00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:57,829

I'll list you off.

:

00:48:57,859 --> 00:48:58,009

Yeah.

:

00:48:58,339 --> 00:49:00,229

I have no interest in doing hair anymore.

:

00:49:00,439 --> 00:49:00,799

Okay.

:

00:49:01,189 --> 00:49:01,729

I got it.

:

00:49:01,729 --> 00:49:02,149

I got it.

:

00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,389

Um, Uh, anything else you

guys want to talk about or.

:

00:49:06,019 --> 00:49:07,039

I'll talk about whatever you want.

:

00:49:08,509 --> 00:49:08,959

Wow.

:

00:49:09,409 --> 00:49:10,399

How much time do you have.

:

00:49:10,909 --> 00:49:13,039

, How many, how many marriages

have you broken up?

:

00:49:14,209 --> 00:49:16,879

Um, well, I didn't break up any marriages.

:

00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,249

I cheated on nobody.

:

00:49:19,699 --> 00:49:21,349

, I've ended an engagement.

:

00:49:21,529 --> 00:49:22,999

So technically not a marriage.

:

00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:26,239

So I preemptively broke

up my own marriage.

:

00:49:27,709 --> 00:49:28,879

That's the responsible thing to do.

:

00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:32,329

Thoughtful thing to do, you

know, , had to be done, not me who.

:

00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:37,379

, no, I think just that one marriage, but I

would, I would say that the, the husband.

:

00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:39,629

It was the one that broke it up, not me.

:

00:49:39,989 --> 00:49:40,739

I didn't know.

:

00:49:40,859 --> 00:49:42,329

It's just a sweet little girl.

:

00:49:44,206 --> 00:49:46,426

Just one of her boys with

the Japanese denim on.

:

00:49:46,846 --> 00:49:47,356

Seriously.

:

00:49:47,626 --> 00:49:50,836

I mean, Hey, listen, y'all going across

any cute guys who can afford $400?

:

00:49:50,836 --> 00:49:51,646

You can send them over here.

:

00:49:51,736 --> 00:49:51,976

Texted.

:

00:49:51,976 --> 00:49:53,536

Hey, this dude got his

pants off over here.

:

00:49:53,656 --> 00:49:54,106

You better hurry.

:

00:49:55,156 --> 00:49:56,236

Listen, you've got my number.

:

00:49:56,286 --> 00:49:57,276

. God wants to denim.

:

00:49:57,336 --> 00:49:58,836

He does not want to talk about it.

:

00:49:59,586 --> 00:50:00,546

Oh, God, that's your guy.

:

00:50:03,786 --> 00:50:04,176

I love it.

:

00:50:04,686 --> 00:50:06,696

It's a little cottage industry over there.

:

00:50:09,196 --> 00:50:11,836

, okay, well, thank you

for listening everybody.

:

00:50:11,836 --> 00:50:15,736

If you want to learn more about

Japanese denim and very expensive,

:

00:50:15,736 --> 00:50:18,676

beautiful flannels, please stop

by our friends at guilty party.

:

00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:19,706

, and he'd been chap.

:

00:50:19,706 --> 00:50:21,986

I really, I appreciate the time so much.

:

00:50:22,286 --> 00:50:22,406

Yeah.

:

00:50:23,276 --> 00:50:25,556

Can I shout out our, our socials?

:

00:50:25,616 --> 00:50:26,516

Yes, please.

:

00:50:26,846 --> 00:50:29,906

You can shop online@guiltyparty.co.

:

00:50:30,386 --> 00:50:31,466

Not calm.

:

00:50:32,276 --> 00:50:33,686

Co co.

:

00:50:35,486 --> 00:50:38,066

And Instagram is at guilty party.

:

00:50:38,126 --> 00:50:38,846

ATL.

:

00:50:39,129 --> 00:50:39,459

All right.

:

00:50:39,799 --> 00:50:40,009

Fuck.

:

00:50:40,009 --> 00:50:40,189

Yeah.

:

00:50:40,729 --> 00:50:41,089

Fuck.

:

00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:41,419

Yeah.

:

00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:43,129

On some jeans.

:

00:50:43,549 --> 00:50:44,029

Okay.

:

00:50:44,059 --> 00:50:44,389

Thanks.

:

00:50:44,389 --> 00:50:44,749

Y'all thank.

:

00:50:45,049 --> 00:50:45,919

Thank you.

:

00:50:48,323 --> 00:50:51,143

Thank you so much for

tuning into today's episode.

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00:50:51,173 --> 00:50:52,073

As always.

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00:50:52,073 --> 00:50:54,323

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Clover Club
Curious conversations and stories intended to make you laugh and learn.
As a shop owner and hair stylist with an impressive number of stamps on her passport, Erika Audrey has heard or experienced it all. And she's ready to share. These real life conversations and stories will make you laugh, cry, and gasp- sometimes in the same episode! Join Erika Audrey straight from Atlanta gift shop Hawkins & Clover. Welcome to Clover Club.

Thank you-
Theme Song: Nick Pantano of Sound Space https://www.soundspaceatl.com
Branding: Shari Margolin https://sharimargolindesignco.com

Contact-
pod@hawkinsandclover.com

About your host

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Erika Audrey

Erika Audrey, a luminous presence hailing from the vibrant city of Atlanta, Georgia, is not your ordinary hairstylist and boutique owner. With a zest for life that's as contagious as her laughter, Erika is poised to take the podcasting world by storm as she embarks on her latest venture.

Launching her debut podcast is a natural extension of Erika's multifaceted personality. With an uncanny ability to seamlessly weave humor into her conversations, Erika's laughter-inducing anecdotes and razor-sharp wit are bound to captivate listeners. Her intelligence shines through as she tackles a diverse range of topics, proving that beneath the laughter lies substance and insight.