Episode 12

Flowers, Fêtes and Finding Zen

Published on: 6th November, 2023

Join host Erika Audrey, along with special guest Christopher Macksey, the creative mind behind Topher Mack Floral + Events. In this lively episode, they unravel the secrets of performing under the spotlight at high-stakes events. Chris shares his industry insights and, of course, a few good laughs with some entertaining and embarrassing stories. It's a delightful blend of grace under pressure, mindfulness, and the lighter side of life.

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Transcript
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Welcome to Over club everybody.

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Hi, how are you?

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I'm doing fabulously.

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How are you?

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I am also doing fabulously.

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. Kelly, do you remember on our landscape

architecture and ghost episode,

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how you got so spooked out and you

distracted yourself from the ghosties

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by saying I really like flowers.

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I, yes, I do remember that.

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I am sure everyone remembers that.

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Yeah.

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One moment.

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Your is such a cute moment.

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It's such a good little

LA , moment of levity.

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, but today's guest is.

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A floral designer and guru.

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So I feel like, ah, thank God.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this is meant.

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This has meant for you.

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I do really like flowers.

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I love flowers and glad.

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I do not like us.

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So.

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You've heard it here first, everybody I'm

excited for just flowers and no ghost.

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Just flowers, no ghost.

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I mean, who knows where this

conversation will end up, but.

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It couldn't be anywhere

near, as spooky as that one.

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Erika: So Chris Maxey is our guest today.

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He's Greg's partner from episode to you.

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And he's an amazing event designer

and florist and human being.

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And today we're going

to chat with him about.

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All things.

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Christopher maxi.

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So very excited to share

him with you, Kelly, and

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Kelly: for everyone listening.

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Oh, I can't wait.

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I'm so glad

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, all right, everyone at the

man of the hour is here.

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I'm so excited to welcome Chris

maxi to Clover club bump up.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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I'm so excited to have you here as am I.

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I'll be here, so I can't wait.

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Um, I'll be honest.

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I'm a little nervous, but I'm ready.

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I'm ready.

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Oh, So don't be nervous.

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Yeah.

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Didn't Greg tell you, this is like

the most fun hour of your life he did.

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He did, but you know, his life experience

is a little different than mine.

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That's why we couldn't

wait to get you on here.

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Yeah.

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Greg's better half.

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Exactly.

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I love it.

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, so Chris, okay.

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I, in our intro described you as a

amazing event designer and floral.

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Genius.

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How do you describe yourself

exactly the same way.

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No, not at all.

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I know I'm just a guy that just

enjoys trying new things and trying

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to gain a, create new combinations.

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And yes, that my medium is

floral design or event design.

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but yeah, I don't, I don't.

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Often, except those words as who I am.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Even though I I'm like, okay.

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Yeah, I've been doing this a while.

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So I have.

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, Since 1996.

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So what has however many years is that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kelly.

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How old were you in 1996.

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Negative two.

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Whoa, whoa.

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I asked that without my

brain filling in the answer.

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I am 25.

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So yeah, the joke was that she

was 12 twice, but now I am.

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12 plus 12 plus one.

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That's awesome.

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Thank you so much.

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so Chris.

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If you don't mind, I would love to

kick off your episode with a story you

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shared with me a couple of years ago.

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But I have gotten so much steam

off of cause it's so fucking funny.

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, will you share the story of your

most embarrassing client exchange?

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Okay.

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I'm glad you prepped me for this.

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Cause I had a moment to kind

of relive it already again.

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Be okay with it.

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Oh, no, it was one of those

moments, so, oh my God.

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No.

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I was, you know, in my twenties,

young man working in New York and,

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, worked for a firm that did a lot of

floral designs for people's homes.

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, particularly, you know, the park avenue

crowd, and you know, so we're dealing with

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kind of, you know, high level executives.

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And this happened to be

a very prominent one.

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, and so we, it was, uh, you

know, Uh, Japanese family that

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we were serving at the time.

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So, and.

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I would come and go from

their home all the time.

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And they left little slippers on the

back in the back service corridor.

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And more often than not.

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They didn't fit me.

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So.

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, so I would, I'll do my best with it.

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Of course.

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But yeah.

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It was a challenge.

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I had to think about multiple things

at once, which really isn't my jam.

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So I had to kind of concentrate on walking

and holding, you know, $2,000 crystal

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bowl, full of orchids, you know, so, wow.

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So one day, , This sales man

that worked for the company

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that I was at was also Japanese.

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And, , So it was.

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This, our sales man, and then the

client and his wife, they were all just

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standing there watching me do my thing.

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And so at one moment, so as I'm

passing in front of them, I slipped.

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, I didn't drop the orchid,

but I did expel gas.

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Very loudly.

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Um, yeah.

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I

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mean to say they didn't ask me back.

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Oh, there was another designer.

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Assigned to that home.

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What did you say?

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Oops.

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kinda like, huh?

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No, it happens.

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It was very embarrassing.

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Oh, my.

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I am obsessed with the image of

Chris in his little slippers with

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like a Cardiay bowl, just lunging

to catch this arrangement.

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And saving the day.

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And ruin a good at the same time.

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Oh, my gosh.

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They were like, that'll be all.

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Yeah,

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it's so funny.

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When you say I did.

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Yes, absolutely.

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What like what happened when

you went home that night or.

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Just like, oh my God.

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I probably drank heavily.

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I'm a little funny, right?

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So my.

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We're living.

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It is.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's not resolved at all.

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A little glow to him right now.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, don't, don't feel bad because I was

just talking to Erica about my honeymoon

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and how I had diarrhea the whole time.

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I love about talking about it

is the best therapy really.

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Yeah.

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Cause everybody listening right now,

their mind is immediately going to their

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most embarrassing equivalent to the

story because we all have at least one.

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Chris, thank you for your vulnerability.

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Yeah, that's.

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The best story I've maybe ever heard.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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And so sweet.

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I know.

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So innocent.

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Oops.

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Um, I kind of want to piggyback

on that, so Chris, in.

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Event design.

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You do mostly weddings, but like any

big event you're willing to, correct?

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Do you know, like this afternoon,

I was just had a meeting for

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a, a large birthday party.

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And do all types of in

corporate events, ran into a

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corporate client this afternoon.

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, so yeah, so we'll do anything.

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Okay.

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And part of that is.

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Executing a really important day

for somebody that's kind of high

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stakes and knowing maybe things are

going to go wrong and then going

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with the flow and making it work.

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How do you navigate that?

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At such a high level all the time.

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Right.

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So people that have worked

alongside me just temporarily.

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Have constant.

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How do you do this?

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How do any of you.

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Doing this.

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And I think that there's

definitely a type of person.

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That stays in this for any length of time.

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Yeah.

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There's many people that pass through, but

I think that's number one, pass through.

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Pastor they're like, yeah, yeah.

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This isn't for me.

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Yeah.

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And it really it's, there's so many

rewards, but there's a lot of pressure.

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There's time constraints.

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There's logistics.

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Logistic challenges.

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Um, you know, while you're not you're.

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Basically, I always try to give people,

imagine moving in and out of your

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home all within eight hours, getting

everything set up, we're looking.

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Beautiful.

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And then taking it all away.

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Your house is.

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You know, 20,000 square feet.

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You know what I mean?

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So that's generally what we're

doing with the larger event.

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Yeah.

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And usually like today where.

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At this meeting trying to angle to get,

Hey, I, can I get a couple more hours

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to load out and can I do this and that,

you know, trying to just negotiate.

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Better terms.

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, And, you know, sometimes we get it.

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Sometimes we don't.

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Wow.

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, but that's, that's really.

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You know, so.

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The key is preparing for what you

can like making sure everything

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that you have control over is tight.

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And then you've got room for

all this stuff that you can't

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predict or can't plan for.

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, to go wrong.

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You know, I see a pretty solid

metaphor between that and life.

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Plan for the best expect.

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Things that aren't the best.

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Just make it work.

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What is the craziest thing that has

happened at an event where you're like,

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oh fuck, , how do I circumnavigate this?

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Right.

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Okay.

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So there was a instance and sometimes

I just think there are greater forces

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at work that I just don't know.

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I believe in that.

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So, but there was an incident.

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This was a couple of years ago.

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And someone that I know work closely

with, and I'm just, she's very dear to me,

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we've worked together for over 20 years.

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Uh, you know, she was nearly killed by a

feature that we had in, in the ceiling.

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and swung and shit.

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She hadn't seen it coming

and jumped out of the way.

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She would have been severely

injured if not worse.

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What was the fixture of?

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No, it was a giant ring of flowers.

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It was on the ceiling.

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I want to die.

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So romantic.

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Oh, my God.

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Honestly.

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Cool.

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What does stories.

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I'm bringing a flowers.

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Wow.

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My gosh.

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So, so, but the thing is, is

that this thing was rigged.

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So, so intensely, right.

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And there were people that said.

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Oh, the person that was working

on it at the time was not.

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Um, handling it correctly or putting undue

pressure at certain points started off.

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To me.

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I was like, I, I was there

when it was rigged and I saw

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how, how I over rigged it.

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I was like, this is too much

for what we're doing here.

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Anyway, I'm not going to go too deep

with that, but it was just interesting.

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Something like that would happen.

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And, you know, honestly,

I thought it was a.

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It could be career ending.

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You know what I mean?

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Anything that you ever do

put somebody in harm's way.

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So we always go to amazing

lengths to ensure that that's not.

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I'm sure.

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You're like quadruple

checking at this point.

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Especially after that.

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That's so crazy.

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And it's uh, yeah.

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So is she still alive?

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She is.

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Well, I know, but I wasn't

sure if that was like a final

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destination moment, like the tree.

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You know what I mean, where

it's like, I'm coming for ya.

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That's pretty intense.

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It is.

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Yeah, but that's wow.

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Not to say that, but that's

kind of how it felt to me.

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Cause it was so like,

what are the odds of this?

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All of these things.

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Occurring, but that's just

kind of, I guess how it is.

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I worked one time as a floral

assistant for a wedding.

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Um, and we were up on these.

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Massive massive ladders.

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, basically we had a bunch of

like branches or something.

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I don't know the technical term.

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and we were lining them across these like,

, pipe type things across this huge venue.

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And I, I'm not even that afraid of

ladders, but being up there for so

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long, I was like getting a little shaky.

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I was like, this is not the job for me.

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You know, and looking at a 12 foot ladder

and being on one or two different things.

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Very very scary.

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I did not enjoy my time.

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It was scary.

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Size does matter.

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Six foot ladders.

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No problem.

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12 foot ladder.

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I mean truly.

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You got to prepare for that.

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Um, so did you okay after the

assassination attempt of your colleague?

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Did you get that fixture

back in place for the event?

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That's what I was thinking.

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I was like, you.

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I had to have made that decision.

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And we came up with something

else that was ground supported.

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That.

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Fabulous.

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And everything looked great.

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And unless you were there, you'd

never would have known it happened.

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Was it a wedding?

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It wasn't, it was a, actually,

it was a nonprofit event.

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The 700 people, you know, Right.

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, or were you able to

like keep it all under.

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Everyone knew.

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How do you handle that?

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So, I mean, so naturally, I mean, of

course we responded the best way we could,

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you know, and just, you know, Like, of

course sincere apologies and, you know,

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Financial compensation, things like that.

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, um, Sue me.

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, and then the person that was.

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I was kinda live at the scene

when all this went down.

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I mean, they were, we had

to kind of reassign them.

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I w there has to be an element

though, of like, These things

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happen and is a dangerous.

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Like putting those things up.

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I would know.

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Well, and, and, you know, we're

dealing with like, we're not,

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you know, there, there are.

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Businesses.

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You know, like when you think

about lighting and all of that

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stuff that they have, they have.

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People that are licensed to rig.

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Sealing and weight limits and.

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with flowers so often, that's

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not always part of the equation.

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Sometimes we have to,

like, we have to hire.

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Like some, uh, rigor that's in a

union that's getting paid at, you

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know, a lot of money per hour.

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Beat to ensure safety sometimes.

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Absolutely.

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, if the fixtures were hanging,

exceed a certain weight, we.

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Well, I was.

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Wait, sorry.

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You know, you're going to ask.

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I th I don't know it off.

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Well, I was thinking.

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I, , I work in film.

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, they know this, you don't know this.

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Um, but it's almost like kind of the

same vibe as like we're managing this

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thing that I agreed with the like eight

hour move out reference that you made.

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I was like, kind of feels

like a film set, but.

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On a film set.

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You have a set medic that's

there the entire time you

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have backup, preparedness.

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Uh, because they are working with these

huge lights that are like, Ken fall on.

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Somebody can be very dangerous.

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So it's so interesting to me that

you guys are doing all of that, but

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there isn't a medic around like that.

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That's really.

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Right.

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It's crazy.

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, and it just goes to show how

impressive it is at the end of the

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day, you know, like it's right.

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It's very cool.

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Actually very fucking hardcore.

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It's a greedy bunch and you know, and

like I said, it's not, you know, we've

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had people that literally will walk off.

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Cause they're just like, I had no idea

this was going to be so challenging.

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Physically.

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Yeah.

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So, sorry.

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I work felt like work today.

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The one day I did it.

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It was really hard.

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I was like, wow.

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And so I guess I have.

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Are you like the manager of all

those people doing that thing?

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Is that your role or so, so

it's not currently any more.

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I had to, you know, I saw, I served

more of as a creative director.

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You know, owner operator, you know,

All of that top of the pyramid.

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Yes.

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There's some space between

him and the minion.

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Yes.

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I'm still there.

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, but I have a team now.

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I'm very grateful for that.

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That helps me manage.

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Manage all the moving parts and people.

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That's amazing.

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Goodness.

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Cool.

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I'm learning so much.

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Yeah, it's so interesting.

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Yeah.

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. So you made that reference.

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Uh, you know, you've got this whole

eight hour production window and

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then this event is done, but then

you've got all of these gorgeous,

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expensive flowers and arrangements.

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And things, what do you do with that?

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So we'll start with the

non-perishable goods.

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Most of them are either items

that we have in our inventory.

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So, you know, lanterns,

candle, holders, tables.

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Things like that, just decorative items

and we rent, linens and tablecloths.

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Okay.

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Just back to the, where can we just

send those back and, you know, to

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wherever they came from rentals.

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Like we need 300 chairs.

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We'll get them from a rental company.

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So all that stuff just goes

back to its wherever it belongs.

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And then, when it comes to things like

flowers, , you know, we are first thing.

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If we make an arrangement with

the host, like we'll often.

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Take the flowers the next day and

then redo them and donate them.

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So that you donate them.

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So it's coordinated through a small

organization here in Atlanta called

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change to humanity and they do.

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, a lot of grassroot efforts, but one

of them is just, you know, it was a.

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Showing the love to

like healthcare workers.

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People in hospice like children, you.

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Things like that.

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Yeah, sorta, but in a small,

you know, just they would

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get, it's basically the way.

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A little flower.

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The way that organization works.

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Like they, , they work.

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A lot with whole foods.

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So they'll take it all the food from.

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So you volunteer with also yes.

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Ah, wow.

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They also have another offshoot that

they, you know, are basically just showing

476

:

love and appreciation for people that

serve the community or people that are.

477

:

Sensing hardships.

478

:

So anyway, so they would, they would, they

would have volunteers come and pick up all

479

:

the flowers and deliver them to hospitals.

480

:

So on, so, oh, that's really

nice, which is really great.

481

:

So that's how we set our first.

482

:

Yes, let's do this.

483

:

, we gave ours to neighbors.

484

:

I mean that's and that's

actually, I do that.

485

:

All the time.

486

:

So I used to like, This actually

started for me during COVID.

487

:

It became super important to me not

to waste anything at that point.

488

:

Because I had all these flowers when

the day everything is shut down.

489

:

We had multiple events that were

coming up that weekend and oh, geez.

490

:

The team had all been sent

home and I'm standing there

491

:

looking at all these flyers.

492

:

I'm like, what am I going to do?

493

:

And so I just filled up my car.

494

:

And then for the next day, I

think I was making arrangements

495

:

to just dropping them on peoples.

496

:

So, I mean, that was my

way of dealing with it.

497

:

I was like, Just do what I do.

498

:

Cheer people up in such a scary time, too.

499

:

Like.

500

:

That's so beautiful.

501

:

Yeah, absolutely.

502

:

Any opportunity I had to do that.

503

:

So then it became a thing and it was

like, , over the course of probably a

504

:

year, maybe year and a half, it was like,

Just, I was just dropping them on random

505

:

people's doorsteps and our neighbor.

506

:

So good.

507

:

How much I had, or yeah.

508

:

Yeah.

509

:

Yeah.

510

:

But also we give it away to the

hotel staff or catering staff.

511

:

Our team loves to take home flowers.

512

:

Makes sense.

513

:

Yeah, so, oh, wow.

514

:

So Chris, you have such a big heart.

515

:

And I feel like it's really obvious

quickly when people chat with you.

516

:

Uh, And I ha.

517

:

I remember a story of you worked

on a wedding where we had a mutual

518

:

acquaintance involved in the sweating

and the father of the bride said

519

:

to you, if my daughter doesn't like

this, I'm going to fucking kill you.

520

:

That's right.

521

:

That's are you kidding me?

522

:

But yeah.

523

:

I'm like anybody else would have

been like, let's fucking go, but I,

524

:

but you're such a fucking pumpkin

pie, but I like, I can't imagine.

525

:

does it make you want to be even

like lean even further into that

526

:

aspect of your personality when

you encounter people like that?

527

:

Yeah, I think I was like, I guess

I may be just had a track record

528

:

that I wasn't concerned about that.

529

:

it was going to come to that.

530

:

Craziest thing I've ever heard.

531

:

Yeah.

532

:

Isn't that wild?

533

:

Yes.

534

:

Yes.

535

:

Truly unhinged.

536

:

But he did, he cleaned it up at the

end and he, he said, well, I guess you

537

:

survived this one or something like that.

538

:

You dodged another bullet?

539

:

I don't remember what he said.

540

:

Actual Laurel Weldon.

541

:

I do generally think he was

trying to be funny, you know, but.

542

:

Yeah, that was interesting.

543

:

That was.

544

:

So it's a while ago.

545

:

It's not one of like the beaner things

people said to you, or do you find that?

546

:

Because I know emotions look

at that's tense, especially for

547

:

the person writing the checks.

548

:

Right?

549

:

Like these events are fucking expensive.

550

:

Yeah.

551

:

True.

552

:

And so I could see, yeah, there

just being a lot of stress.

553

:

, is it common to have people speak to you

that way or was that kind of a rarity?

554

:

That was pretty, that was pretty rare.

555

:

And you.

556

:

And again, in his defense, he,

I think he was just being funny.

557

:

But, , you know, generally

people are pretty cool.

558

:

Um, you know, I mean, there

are definitely some times had.

559

:

Various stages of my career.

560

:

You know, you become,

there's a point where you.

561

:

You're just one of the crew and

you're a little bit more invisible.

562

:

And then there comes a time

where you're the one, there's

563

:

a, there's a moment in, in.

564

:

At least there wasn't my

career where I became visible.

565

:

Yeah.

566

:

But I think there was, uh, I

definitely remember times where like

567

:

people would look right past me.

568

:

Yeah.

569

:

The person that they

thought was more important.

570

:

Yeah.

571

:

You know, whatever, whatever.

572

:

Maybe not more important.

573

:

I don't know if that's the right

word, but, you know, so it, um,

574

:

cause I do see that sometimes

with my teams, that my team.

575

:

You know, people will

look right past them.

576

:

People on my team.

577

:

Yeah.

578

:

Yeah.

579

:

I try to like, yeah, this is so-and-so

and look at this as the genius for

580

:

this and the mastermind of that and

the, you know, so that people know who.

581

:

Who, you know, Who's making it happen.

582

:

Yeah.

583

:

You know, you guys want to

know who did my flowers.

584

:

You me.

585

:

We bought them the day before.

586

:

And then just.

587

:

Went ham.

588

:

And luckily my husband's sister

works in the floral industry.

589

:

That's why I worked that one day.

590

:

Because she couldn't make it.

591

:

So I did it for her.

592

:

But thank God for her.

593

:

She made all the arrangements and it

was gorgeous, but like, Oh, my God.

594

:

I keep going back to how hard this job.

595

:

It is very hardcore.

596

:

It is that does remind me, I've

got a client who's I think it was

597

:

her son was going to invite his

girlfriend to be his homecoming date.

598

:

And it was like a Saturday

and he was going to go run an

599

:

errand mom and she's like, Hey.

600

:

And , he comes back and

she's like, what did you do?

601

:

And he's like, where'd you get this

corsage for Stephanie or whoever?

602

:

And she's like bro

homecoming is in two weeks.

603

:

Like that'll only be dead weight.

604

:

No.

605

:

Like checking it off his to do list early.

606

:

And she's like, that's a live of flour.

607

:

It's like very sweet.

608

:

I just thought that was such a like

funny little story of people, just

609

:

all people like a high school boy.

610

:

I got to get this, make

everything perfect.

611

:

Oh, my gosh.

612

:

Yeah.

613

:

Early on in my career, I used to work at

flower shop, said, you know, the problems.

614

:

Oh, my God homecoming and stuff.

615

:

At Lou, there'd be hundreds

of orders for corsage.

616

:

Died to match flowers.

617

:

Ribbons and wow.

618

:

But, you know, I look back at

those times when I was making

619

:

little triangle arrangements.

620

:

But a coffee mug.

621

:

Yeah.

622

:

I learned a lot of technical experience,

customer service skills, like all the

623

:

stuff that I use all the time now.

624

:

Yeah.

625

:

, that, you know, That I

wouldn't have got otherwise.

626

:

So.

627

:

So I am grateful for that.

628

:

And then also just my drive to make

the crap into something beautiful.

629

:

You know what I mean?

630

:

Even if it's, you know, I mean, yeah.

631

:

Okay.

632

:

Let's use Dodd flowers, but

let's make them the most.

633

:

Fucking beautiful ones you've ever seen.

634

:

So that's, you know, and the

most polished and refined or.

635

:

Interesting, whatever it is.

636

:

I love that.

637

:

Chris in hindsight, are you

more comfortable on the front

638

:

facing side of things or the

behind the scenes side of things?

639

:

No.

640

:

That's a great question.

641

:

And you know, it we're.

642

:

I'm definitely my natural.

643

:

It's just getting it

done behind the scenes.

644

:

Yeah.

645

:

You know, but I get such a thrill

out of the client facing stuff,

646

:

particularly when I work on a proposal

and then I get that response back.

647

:

Yay.

648

:

We love it.

649

:

We're going to go with you.

650

:

Like that's such a thrill,

that never gets old.

651

:

I'm sure.

652

:

Yeah.

653

:

But there's so many times

where I just want to just.

654

:

Be behind the scenes.

655

:

And just doing, doing the work.

656

:

So.

657

:

So it's, uh, you know,

cause I think that's just.

658

:

You know, I like to keep moving.

659

:

Yeah.

660

:

And that's it.

661

:

You know, sometimes.

662

:

When I'm, when I'm having to like,

interface with clients or go to

663

:

events, particularly networking

events, I'm just like in and out.

664

:

I just don't want to be there.

665

:

I agree with that, ? Your

work to speak for itself.

666

:

You don't want to have to be

like mucking it up with people.

667

:

Right.

668

:

Yeah.

669

:

Right.

670

:

And not that I don't dislike.

671

:

I don't, I love people, but, you know,

I just haven't, , you know, You get it.

672

:

I totally get it.

673

:

Speaking of people.

674

:

I think we referenced this during Greg's

episode, but Chris and Greg are known

675

:

for hosting this pumpkin carving party.

676

:

That is just amazing.

677

:

And you're so good at being a host.

678

:

And I feel like exactly what you just

said shows up in the way that you host.

679

:

Because it's like, where's Chris,

look, I want to say hi to Chris,

680

:

but you're always doing something.

681

:

Who are just running around.

682

:

I mean, and everything is perfect.

683

:

Through the entire

duration of your events.

684

:

Do you get to enjoy them yourself or

do you enjoy them through serving them?

685

:

So that, that is definitely

my love language.

686

:

Is being of service like doing hosting and

being a host and hospitality, all of that.

687

:

That's it, but then also like,

keeping it, keeping it tidy, making

688

:

sure it looks good, you know, that.

689

:

, cause people are messy.

690

:

Yeah, they are.

691

:

They are, but I do love it, but

I, but actually I last year was

692

:

probably like, I cut it off.

693

:

Like I'm like, all right.

694

:

Coasting has done at three

o'clock or whatever it was.

695

:

I don't even remember what time.

696

:

Maybe it was five o'clock.

697

:

Yeah.

698

:

And then I'm going to do

the same again this year.

699

:

So just consciously say, okay.

700

:

So for the first hour and a half,

two hours, It's going to be,

701

:

everything's going to be spotless.

702

:

We're going to keep it,

you know, keep that.

703

:

We'll take the pictures.

704

:

Right, right.

705

:

And then after that, I'm

just going to whoever.

706

:

Yeah.

707

:

Just go sit somewhere

and just enjoy, enjoy.

708

:

That's amazing.

709

:

I think that's a really

good way to balance things.

710

:

I'm going to use that advice.

711

:

I am.

712

:

I just had a birthday party.

713

:

Okay.

714

:

I was so overwhelmed the whole

time, because I was like, Hosting

715

:

it and yeah, like it was great.

716

:

All my friends were there and

it was, it was just beautiful.

717

:

And I loved having everyone, but I was so.

718

:

Stressed.

719

:

And I was like, it's my damn birthday.

720

:

Like, what am I doing?

721

:

I'm going to take that advice.

722

:

I'm like, because the last experience

with my party was so overwhelming.

723

:

Yeah, that's so smart though.

724

:

Just to chill for a minute.

725

:

Yeah, that's right.

726

:

Just cut it.

727

:

Yeah.

728

:

Just say after this point,

um, I'm off the clock.

729

:

Yeah.

730

:

So that's how I had to look at it.

731

:

I just went to a 50th birthday

for a friend this past weekend.

732

:

And.

733

:

, I showed up there and, uh, you know,

cause it was, it was in New York and

734

:

I landed and arrive at the party.

735

:

And given hugs and all, and.

736

:

And, uh, my friend who's

having the birthday.

737

:

She's like, I'm so stressed.

738

:

I said, you know, I, I don't know, but,

you know, I wish there was a book.

739

:

Yeah.

740

:

One that is having a party that they're

the guest of honor, that there is

741

:

we're hosting a party in general.

742

:

Like, yes, there's.

743

:

For those people that are doing

those milestone things in particular.

744

:

Yeah, we don't do big

birthday parties that often.

745

:

Yes.

746

:

What do you do to.

747

:

You can drink a lot.

748

:

Spoke a lot.

749

:

You can be the center of

attention at your own party.

750

:

Right?

751

:

I mean, okay.

752

:

That part, like the attention is great,

but like, It's overwhelming to be hosting

753

:

and be the person that everyone is

paying attention to at the same time.

754

:

It's like, I can't do

both of those things.

755

:

And it's just.

756

:

It's hard.

757

:

Like, I think.

758

:

Everybody should have

parties thrown for them.

759

:

And that should be how that goes.

760

:

I think this is the last time I'm

throwing myself a birthday party.

761

:

Like none of them know . I'm not doing.

762

:

I mean, that's a solid plan.

763

:

Yeah.

764

:

That fully support that.

765

:

Yeah.

766

:

Everyone should do that.

767

:

But yeah, it is, but I see it

repeated over and over again, is

768

:

that people not sure what to do with.

769

:

That moment.

770

:

Yeah.

771

:

It's comes for some people,

just not very often.

772

:

Yeah.

773

:

In between two worlds.

774

:

Yeah.

775

:

Uh, one of the things I'm thinking

about more than likely going

776

:

to have a 50th birthday party

in March and I'm the same way.

777

:

I just get overwhelmed and

imagine all your worlds.

778

:

Collide.

779

:

You know what I mean?

780

:

Um, and yeah.

781

:

And it's that in itself is

over at who do I talk to?

782

:

I don't want to make this one feel

bad cause I'm spending too much.

783

:

Here, blah, blah, blah.

784

:

And you have to interface all of that.

785

:

I was thinking I'm going to kind of just

do like the reception line thing and just

786

:

wait, just greet every single person.

787

:

Oh my God.

788

:

That's really smart.

789

:

And then, just do whatever after that.

790

:

Okay.

791

:

I've connected with every single person.

792

:

I'm not going to feel.

793

:

Like looking across the room at

people you ever do that, like.

794

:

You gotta go say hi to them.

795

:

Oh, but I'm over here.

796

:

I'm still haven't said hello to like,

that was what was happening to me.

797

:

It was awful.

798

:

I was like, just, okay.

799

:

That's I mean, that was old school, right?

800

:

Yeah, the receiving lines, whatever.

801

:

And you get stuck in a

conversation for 20 minutes.

802

:

And you're like, I found myself

having to be like, I have, I have

803

:

to go be my little host self.

804

:

I have to go say hi to some other

people, but I'll talk to you soon.

805

:

I'll come back.

806

:

And they understand they did.

807

:

Yeah, he did, but he doesn't

understand the whole time.

808

:

I was like always saying that.

809

:

And it's so much of

it's in our heads, too.

810

:

Right?

811

:

, my mom always taught me if you have a

party or saying hi to every single person.

812

:

Well, I think that's accurate.

813

:

Yeah.

814

:

And I think too, there's always other

people at parties that have social

815

:

anxiety and want something to do.

816

:

So if you let the dishes pile up,

someone's going to do around and

817

:

pick up the glasses and whatever.

818

:

It will create a vacuum where

there's clearly a need and

819

:

somebody will step into it.

820

:

That's.

821

:

Yeah, I think that's usually the case.

822

:

And if you're in a small enough

group or close enough friends

823

:

where it's like, I don't care

if there's pizza boxes piled up.

824

:

Yeah, we'll deal with it later.

825

:

Let's just relax.

826

:

Yeah.

827

:

Yeah.

828

:

I handle those situations differently.

829

:

, like on my birthdays, I

usually go out of town alone.

830

:

And myself, and there's no stress.

831

:

That's the most you thing I've ever heard.

832

:

I've weighed everybody

that makes complete sense.

833

:

I love it.

834

:

Everybody loves it.

835

:

It's great.

836

:

Yeah.

837

:

Oh, that's great.

838

:

Oh, I like that.

839

:

And.

840

:

You know, I've thought about that.

841

:

You know, kind of vacillate back

and forth between the two concepts.

842

:

Yeah.

843

:

And I think after seeing, or

being at this last birthday party.

844

:

and how there were, I mean, my, my,

all of our old friends from 20 years

845

:

ago were there and it just was.

846

:

Amazing to be with them again.

847

:

And that's amazing.

848

:

Was the CEO you farted in front of them.

849

:

Yeah.

850

:

It made me lean more towards the party.

851

:

Yeah.

852

:

I technically was in Paris

on my birthday this year.

853

:

And it was beautiful and lovely.

854

:

And we went to a Michelin star restaurant,

which I've never been to before.

855

:

It's called Anne.

856

:

Um, it's named after like the AAN.

857

:

N a N N E oh, okay.

858

:

Um, it's named after like the mother

of the owner of the bill, the hotelers

859

:

I don't even, I don't even know.

860

:

, but, but about Redwood, but I, we

had a great day great experience,

861

:

but I found myself being like, okay,

like I need some more attention.

862

:

Like, not just from you.

863

:

It's Spencer.

864

:

Like I need like some,

I need like party vibes.

865

:

And I'm not getting party vibes.

866

:

Here in Paris because it was very like

romantic person, Michelin star dinner.

867

:

I'm sorry.

868

:

It wasn't a party vibe.

869

:

That was lunch.

870

:

I was just like we were

saying, it was great.

871

:

It.

872

:

It was the best meal of my.

873

:

My whole life.

874

:

And shot with the, after they

shaved the truffles over my lunch.

875

:

They did not want to chat.

876

:

I was trying to jot.

877

:

I've been to Paris before.

878

:

No.

879

:

Okay.

880

:

That was my first time.

881

:

, beyond.

882

:

I got back and planned a

party for four days later.

883

:

I was like, I just have to throw a party.

884

:

It has to happen.

885

:

I need, I need that.

886

:

I've spent three birthdays in Paris.

887

:

Three.

888

:

Yes.

889

:

Three.

890

:

Uh, 26, 29 and 33.

891

:

On your birthday,

Michelin star restaurant.

892

:

Yeah.

893

:

Yeah.

894

:

Three-star restaurant.

895

:

It was incredible.

896

:

It was amazing.

897

:

Correct.

898

:

I just never.

899

:

I never knew.

900

:

You don't know until you do it.

901

:

That's what I'm saying.

902

:

Yes.

903

:

David's crazy.

904

:

Yeah, no, it's a must.

905

:

At some point I have very strong opinions

about dining and Michelin and the

906

:

combination of Michelin and Atlanta.

907

:

So the Atlanta guide is

coming out just be prepared.

908

:

You all.

909

:

I'm going to likely have some strong.

910

:

But yes.

911

:

So these Parisian birthdays I've,

you know, fine dining is a mess,

912

:

but there was one year where I

had intended to be there alone.

913

:

And then a girlfriend of mine surprised me

and she came over and she met me in Paris.

914

:

Oh my God.

915

:

And I had started that trip in Amsterdam.

916

:

And so I brought over some

hallucinogenic truffles.

917

:

And so on my birthday, we tripped balls

and we went to the oldest cathedral in

918

:

Paris, there was a Vivaldi concerto.

919

:

So I'm sitting there just

like Oh, I was like, oh, what.

920

:

Yeah, share.

921

:

I don't know what that is.

922

:

Classical music in a church.

923

:

Okay, thank you.

924

:

, it was absolutely beautiful and that

we went to the Tuileries gardens and

925

:

like, you know, those green chairs.

926

:

We just parked our asses under the

green chairs and just had the craziest,

927

:

it was the most beautiful day ever.

928

:

I mean, it was wow.

929

:

Perfect.

930

:

That sounds amazing.

931

:

Yeah.

932

:

So I think every, I think every

woman, I don't know why this

933

:

just feels like a feminine thing.

934

:

Like anybody can do this, but I feel

like it's like very girly to have a

935

:

pretend birthday, at least once a year.

936

:

Yeah, it was, it was incredible.

937

:

I'm really happy.

938

:

. Um, I got engaged on my birthday,

the first pair of strip.

939

:

Whoa.

940

:

That's.

941

:

I'm sorry, I'm not sharing that.

942

:

I didn't know, it was that every

time I've been in Paris, It was

943

:

on one of your singular travels?

944

:

Well, okay.

945

:

I had gone on this trip alone and then

my boyfriend at the time surprised me.

946

:

and proposed, and then he stayed

with me for the portion of the trip.

947

:

I was in Paris.

948

:

And then I met up with a

girlfriend in Switzerland, I think.

949

:

And then we continued on.

950

:

, but now I'm just realizing this

because I really genuinely like

951

:

spending my birthdays alone.

952

:

But each of my birthdays,

I've been surprised in Paris.

953

:

Just the Parisian ones.

954

:

Wow.

955

:

Yeah, it's crazy.

956

:

She can't go alone.

957

:

We're going to do.

958

:

You know, Well, I feel this

way about destination weddings,

959

:

like I'm pro elopement.

960

:

Sorry, Chris.

961

:

But land, sorry, me.

962

:

Um, I think that, , Destination weddings

are great because it really it's like,

963

:

you gotta love me to spend, you know, a

couple thousand dollars to come see me.

964

:

Get married here.

965

:

Like filter out, you know, right.

966

:

The people who be.

967

:

Maybe not on the B list.

968

:

Like, I don't know, just like, you're not

going to fly to see somebody get married,

969

:

unless you like really care about that.

970

:

Right.

971

:

So I love, I love a micro wedding.

972

:

I love an elopement.

973

:

I love a little, you can come to me.

974

:

I went to a wedding once in Paris, it was.

975

:

It was someone I knew, but I wasn't

friends with opposite plus one.

976

:

Oh, wow.

977

:

Yeah, that's great.

978

:

That's just one of the best

weddings I ever went to.

979

:

There were maybe 24 people total.

980

:

. I mean everything about it, just

the amazing rehearsal dinner.

981

:

The wedding itself, the reception.

982

:

Yeah.

983

:

It was, it was a blast.

984

:

Paris is magical when people talk

shit about Paris, it tells me so much

985

:

about them because I'm like if you

went to Paris and managed to have a

986

:

bad time, So that tells me everything

I need to know about you, Spencer.

987

:

Really hesitant when we went.

988

:

People talk shit about parents.

989

:

Yeah.

990

:

And that's what he said.

991

:

He was like, it just seems like

we're not going to have a good time.

992

:

And then we went and he's like, oh

my God, we have to come back here.

993

:

Like.

994

:

This is so fun.

995

:

They have a great natural wine scene.

996

:

Yes.

997

:

Incredible.

998

:

And so we just had like the greatest time.

999

:

We're like, wow, Paris rocks.

:

00:37:00,306 --> 00:37:00,816

I agreed.

:

00:37:00,816 --> 00:37:02,256

No one can say anything bad about Paris.

:

00:37:02,256 --> 00:37:02,766

Like, sorry.

:

00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:06,486

It just tells me that you're being

like very touristy and like limit.

:

00:37:06,966 --> 00:37:08,106

You're doing the wrong thing.

:

00:37:08,136 --> 00:37:08,376

Yeah.

:

00:37:08,496 --> 00:37:11,946

You're packing in a day of

just like vanilla bullshit.

:

00:37:12,006 --> 00:37:13,956

Oh, like some TripAdvisor list.

:

00:37:14,736 --> 00:37:15,066

Yeah.

:

00:37:15,096 --> 00:37:19,026

I'm like, that's not how you, Paris Paris

is about slowing down and indulgence.

:

00:37:19,386 --> 00:37:22,626

Not about how many museums you can

see in a day and like, exactly.

:

00:37:23,316 --> 00:37:24,426

Uh, no, I didn't see one.

:

00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:25,956

And I think that's okay.

:

00:37:26,076 --> 00:37:27,006

Yeah, no, I was glad.

:

00:37:27,576 --> 00:37:27,846

Yeah.

:

00:37:28,206 --> 00:37:30,786

Sometimes I just say, you know,

white, like walking onto the campus,

:

00:37:30,786 --> 00:37:33,336

you know, Just walking outside.

:

00:37:33,336 --> 00:37:34,116

That was enough for me.

:

00:37:34,116 --> 00:37:34,686

I didn't need to go.

:

00:37:35,016 --> 00:37:35,706

Just beautiful.

:

00:37:35,976 --> 00:37:36,456

Yes.

:

00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:39,336

So, yes.

:

00:37:39,336 --> 00:37:40,326

Speaking of traveling.

:

00:37:40,386 --> 00:37:40,686

Okay.

:

00:37:41,616 --> 00:37:43,746

I really enjoy traveling two ways.

:

00:37:43,956 --> 00:37:45,336

The first one is physically.

:

00:37:45,696 --> 00:37:47,076

And the second one is mentally.

:

00:37:47,226 --> 00:37:47,556

Okay.

:

00:37:47,586 --> 00:37:49,176

And that's whether through.

:

00:37:49,566 --> 00:37:50,466

Maybe a drug.

:

00:37:51,246 --> 00:37:52,686

We're up a plant medicine.

:

00:37:53,256 --> 00:37:55,176

Um, or through meditation.

:

00:37:55,536 --> 00:37:56,706

And Chris.

:

00:37:57,006 --> 00:37:59,706

Is that a meditator you've gone

on several meditation retreats.

:

00:37:59,736 --> 00:38:03,586

That's a practice that you

try to, , add into your life.

:

00:38:03,976 --> 00:38:04,756

, can we talk about that?

:

00:38:05,686 --> 00:38:06,796

I'm very interested.

:

00:38:07,006 --> 00:38:07,486

Okay, cool.

:

00:38:07,576 --> 00:38:09,136

I am such a bad meditator.

:

00:38:10,126 --> 00:38:11,146

Well, I think.

:

00:38:11,746 --> 00:38:14,836

The first step to being not a

bad meditator is to say, I'm

:

00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:16,036

going to do those regularly.

:

00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:16,516

And my.

:

00:38:16,846 --> 00:38:18,586

Making it fit into your world.

:

00:38:18,646 --> 00:38:19,906

That's what makes it bad at it?

:

00:38:20,806 --> 00:38:23,326

Chris when you're really

locked in and like on point

:

00:38:23,326 --> 00:38:24,736

with your meditation practice.

:

00:38:25,216 --> 00:38:27,886

Will you share with us how

it fits into your world?

:

00:38:28,436 --> 00:38:30,746

So generally I try to do it every morning.

:

00:38:30,926 --> 00:38:31,586

You know, Jen.

:

00:38:31,766 --> 00:38:32,486

But Mo.

:

00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:33,326

Without.

:

00:38:33,326 --> 00:38:36,596

So there's a time where I

start my day without the phone.

:

00:38:36,686 --> 00:38:37,226

Yeah.

:

00:38:37,316 --> 00:38:38,336

Just sitting outside.

:

00:38:38,846 --> 00:38:40,646

Starting with , just being quiet.

:

00:38:40,676 --> 00:38:41,246

I love that.

:

00:38:41,816 --> 00:38:46,466

Listening to the birds or whatever it is

just that that's usually, if I do just

:

00:38:46,466 --> 00:38:48,146

that, and that's in a way it's just as.

:

00:38:48,386 --> 00:38:49,916

It is a state of meditation.

:

00:38:49,916 --> 00:38:51,146

I believe a hundred percent.

:

00:38:51,206 --> 00:38:55,076

No, it just be just sitting

there quietly relaxed, you know?

:

00:38:55,256 --> 00:38:59,966

And honestly just doing that every day,

which is a much easier practice for me.

:

00:39:00,446 --> 00:39:01,406

It's a great star.

:

00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:01,706

A great.

:

00:39:01,826 --> 00:39:03,806

Sounds like a lot less pressure.

:

00:39:03,926 --> 00:39:06,896

I feel like every time I go to meditate,

it's like, okay, clear your mind,

:

00:39:06,926 --> 00:39:07,886

clear your mind, clear your mind.

:

00:39:07,886 --> 00:39:09,356

And then I'm just getting mad.

:

00:39:09,776 --> 00:39:14,386

So it said, mindfulness, I guess is you're

just kind of taking in what's around you.

:

00:39:14,416 --> 00:39:14,656

Right.

:

00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:14,836

You know?

:

00:39:15,196 --> 00:39:19,546

And it just, so it does it, you're not

trying to push anything away or, or,

:

00:39:19,756 --> 00:39:21,106

you know, like, oh, there's a bird.

:

00:39:21,166 --> 00:39:22,096

That sounds really nice.

:

00:39:22,096 --> 00:39:22,336

It's.

:

00:39:22,636 --> 00:39:24,136

You know, that's all good stuff for me.

:

00:39:24,136 --> 00:39:25,696

I find absolutely no.

:

00:39:26,176 --> 00:39:29,326

I guess it's more of that and just

acknowledging, Hey bird, I get you.

:

00:39:29,326 --> 00:39:29,956

You're there.

:

00:39:30,346 --> 00:39:32,536

You know, and now you feel.

:

00:39:37,246 --> 00:39:39,586

I find to be the most, , fulfilling.

:

00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:43,306

I mean, I definitely love the other chefs,

is it for me, has been more challenging.

:

00:39:44,146 --> 00:39:45,856

The breathing., and yeah.

:

00:39:46,006 --> 00:39:48,946

The quiet, , going into the deep

breath work and then come on.

:

00:39:49,376 --> 00:39:52,406

, laying down and kind of just going

into that kind of trance-like state.

:

00:39:52,646 --> 00:39:53,906

I think it's great.

:

00:39:53,936 --> 00:39:54,296

Yeah.

:

00:39:54,326 --> 00:39:57,266

But I've only been able to really

do it successfully with a guide.

:

00:39:59,006 --> 00:40:01,256

But when I do, I feel

completely re refreshed.

:

00:40:01,316 --> 00:40:01,916

Oh, it's amazing.

:

00:40:01,976 --> 00:40:02,366

Yeah.

:

00:40:02,456 --> 00:40:02,996

In a way.

:

00:40:03,386 --> 00:40:04,466

But I like so ma.

:

00:40:04,916 --> 00:40:07,976

But for me on it as a daily practice,

that's really been more on the mindful

:

00:40:07,976 --> 00:40:10,196

side of just being still being quiet.

:

00:40:10,316 --> 00:40:10,976

I like that.

:

00:40:10,976 --> 00:40:12,986

I think it can be an intimidating concept.

:

00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:17,066

And so people don't know where to start

or how to apply it to their lives in

:

00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:19,016

a realistic way to make it consistent.

:

00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:20,796

, but that's such a great example.

:

00:40:21,066 --> 00:40:22,296

And it reminds me I've got this.

:

00:40:22,396 --> 00:40:24,556

, I don't know what to call

her, like a spiritual.

:

00:40:25,126 --> 00:40:25,816

Advisor.

:

00:40:26,506 --> 00:40:27,586

I don't know this woman.

:

00:40:28,306 --> 00:40:30,706

, but she said something to me once

that really stuck with me and it

:

00:40:30,706 --> 00:40:33,616

was intuition enters on quiet feet.

:

00:40:34,216 --> 00:40:35,086

And that means.

:

00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:36,893

We, we all have an intuition.

:

00:40:36,923 --> 00:40:38,363

A lot of us are disconnected from it.

:

00:40:38,723 --> 00:40:43,463

But these moments where there's no digital

technology around us and we're just quiet.

:

00:40:43,523 --> 00:40:45,263

We'll just let things flow through us.

:

00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:49,733

That's what, like going on a walk like

that's meditation because your body is

:

00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:53,123

moving and if you're not listening to

music, you, you may notice you get these

:

00:40:53,123 --> 00:40:54,293

like, oh, I've got this great idea.

:

00:40:54,293 --> 00:40:55,463

It's white in the shower.

:

00:40:55,613 --> 00:40:56,693

People have great ideas.

:

00:40:56,693 --> 00:40:58,223

Cause you're doing this methodical thing.

:

00:40:58,643 --> 00:41:00,833

Maybe not listening to

music or distracted, you're

:

00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,243

just focusing on this task.

:

00:41:02,243 --> 00:41:02,603

Wow.

:

00:41:02,713 --> 00:41:05,443

, And so that's super, just important to me.

:

00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:05,713

Yeah.

:

00:41:06,553 --> 00:41:10,213

And January is going to be a

year since I went to Ecuador

:

00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:12,013

to do this Iowasca retreat.

:

00:41:12,073 --> 00:41:14,203

I actually, Kelly, I want to

do a whole episode in January.

:

00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,393

I assume that you are going to do that.

:

00:41:17,203 --> 00:41:18,313

You know how, you know.

:

00:41:18,673 --> 00:41:19,453

He's done ILR.

:

00:41:22,033 --> 00:41:22,813

Same way.

:

00:41:24,763 --> 00:41:28,633

, but I think that a lot of people are

interested in this type of stuff and

:

00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:31,483

don't necessarily know how to even begin.

:

00:41:31,543 --> 00:41:33,733

Uh, like learning about it

or approaching it or even

:

00:41:33,793 --> 00:41:34,753

incorporating it in their lives.

:

00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:37,963

So I love that tip of just kind

of finding a way that's realistic

:

00:41:37,963 --> 00:41:39,883

for you and tapping in as.

:

00:41:39,973 --> 00:41:40,993

That's it and it doesn't.

:

00:41:41,323 --> 00:41:43,063

I think the dosha is people.

:

00:41:43,093 --> 00:41:47,093

I think I thought it too, like, , I

I'm terrible at meditating or.

:

00:41:47,693 --> 00:41:51,113

But honestly, I think I've heard

this as little cliche, but the only

:

00:41:51,143 --> 00:41:53,333

bad meditation is not meditating.

:

00:41:54,623 --> 00:41:56,063

So all of this is real.

:

00:41:56,093 --> 00:41:59,933

I feel like the universe is speaking

to me a little bit right now, because

:

00:42:00,143 --> 00:42:02,933

this morning, this morning today.

:

00:42:03,383 --> 00:42:03,923

Aye.

:

00:42:04,583 --> 00:42:07,013

I've been seeing the scroll on social

media and she keeps posting she's

:

00:42:07,043 --> 00:42:09,083

like morning pages, morning pages.

:

00:42:10,223 --> 00:42:11,843

Changes their life morning pages.

:

00:42:11,873 --> 00:42:14,813

And so this morning I've been

having like some issues, whatever.

:

00:42:15,083 --> 00:42:17,993

And this morning I was like, okay, Fine.

:

00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:19,433

I'll do the morning pages.

:

00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:20,153

I'll do it.

:

00:42:20,423 --> 00:42:25,553

So I took my dog and we went to the

dog park, which was at my apartment.

:

00:42:25,553 --> 00:42:26,963

So it was like 50 steps away.

:

00:42:27,023 --> 00:42:27,593

Downstairs.

:

00:42:27,623 --> 00:42:28,703

Yeah.

:

00:42:28,823 --> 00:42:33,893

Um, I just sat on the little bench in

the dog park and I wrote two pages.

:

00:42:33,923 --> 00:42:35,813

I was like, okay, at least it's plural.

:

00:42:36,323 --> 00:42:37,463

At least its pages.

:

00:42:37,823 --> 00:42:39,683

And it was like 10 minutes of my day.

:

00:42:39,743 --> 00:42:40,133

Yeah.

:

00:42:40,163 --> 00:42:42,173

But it really was nice.

:

00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:45,863

And I also was talking to my

roommate today about how I've been so

:

00:42:45,863 --> 00:42:47,563

addicted to social media recently.

:

00:42:48,163 --> 00:42:51,733

And like that I'm like considering

deleting it, or like at least only getting

:

00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:53,413

it on weekends or something like that.

:

00:42:54,043 --> 00:42:57,943

And specifically I said, I need

to not be on it in the morning.

:

00:42:58,873 --> 00:42:59,083

Yeah.

:

00:42:59,383 --> 00:43:01,003

Now we're all talking about it right now.

:

00:43:01,153 --> 00:43:01,423

Yeah.

:

00:43:01,663 --> 00:43:02,953

This is how the universe works.

:

00:43:03,013 --> 00:43:05,923

Everybody's saying like I'm not

religious, but I am, I would consider

:

00:43:05,923 --> 00:43:07,453

myself a very spiritual person.

:

00:43:07,483 --> 00:43:11,503

Yeah, I absolutely believe that we

can interact with the world around us.

:

00:43:11,503 --> 00:43:15,253

And when we get these synchronicities

and these signs, they mean something.

:

00:43:15,643 --> 00:43:16,753

You may misinterpret them.

:

00:43:16,753 --> 00:43:19,603

We may not know what they mean or what

they stand for, but when you notice

:

00:43:19,603 --> 00:43:23,503

synchronicities like that in your life, I

think it's for me, I interpreted it as, as

:

00:43:23,533 --> 00:43:25,693

a sign that I'm kind of like clicked in.

:

00:43:26,023 --> 00:43:27,823

And everything's kind of flowing.

:

00:43:27,913 --> 00:43:29,053

I'm in, I'm in a flow state.

:

00:43:29,083 --> 00:43:32,443

When I'm in a flow state, I

get that stuff all the time.

:

00:43:32,473 --> 00:43:33,523

It's reassuring.

:

00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:37,543

It's like, I feel better about like,

uh, I was still going to do it.

:

00:43:37,603 --> 00:43:40,633

Like I told myself at least for a

week, like just do it for a week.

:

00:43:40,663 --> 00:43:41,023

Yeah.

:

00:43:41,113 --> 00:43:44,623

Um, but now it's like, oh,

now I really gotta do it.

:

00:43:44,623 --> 00:43:47,863

Like now it's like, you literally

have to it'll actually help me.

:

00:43:47,863 --> 00:43:51,043

Cause obviously there's signs

saying that it will absolutely.

:

00:43:51,763 --> 00:43:53,143

We can complicate anything.

:

00:43:53,203 --> 00:43:55,093

I know I can, I can complicate anything.

:

00:43:55,153 --> 00:43:55,333

I'm doing

:

00:43:57,073 --> 00:43:58,243

practices that I've.

:

00:43:58,753 --> 00:43:59,443

Put into place.

:

00:43:59,443 --> 00:44:00,223

Like sometimes that.

:

00:44:01,243 --> 00:44:03,643

I didn't even realize I was

doing it, but then I, yeah.

:

00:44:04,183 --> 00:44:05,263

It was so simple.

:

00:44:05,713 --> 00:44:07,183

I barely even knew I was doing it.

:

00:44:07,693 --> 00:44:08,563

And now it's a thing.

:

00:44:08,833 --> 00:44:09,073

Yeah.

:

00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:11,533

I love that it absolutely

makes a difference in my day.

:

00:44:11,593 --> 00:44:11,983

Yeah.

:

00:44:12,193 --> 00:44:13,633

And even just driving in the car.

:

00:44:13,753 --> 00:44:16,513

So that used to be either NPR was on or.

:

00:44:17,263 --> 00:44:18,853

Boxing blood blasting music.

:

00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:19,423

Fox news.

:

00:44:19,423 --> 00:44:19,633

Yeah.

:

00:44:20,353 --> 00:44:22,333

Um, yeah, I think.

:

00:44:22,723 --> 00:44:24,493

Too many distractions.

:

00:44:24,643 --> 00:44:26,143

We all do audibly though.

:

00:44:26,143 --> 00:44:31,903

Like, especially with Instagram and

take talk and like my television.

:

00:44:32,233 --> 00:44:33,703

Or even music.

:

00:44:33,703 --> 00:44:39,733

Like I am rarely just by myself in

my own thoughts, like very rarely.

:

00:44:39,733 --> 00:44:42,493

And I, I think it's like, I

try to make sure that doesn't

:

00:44:42,493 --> 00:44:43,843

happen, which is like, that's not.

:

00:44:44,743 --> 00:44:45,823

So I think that's the.

:

00:44:46,063 --> 00:44:48,643

Carving out the time is like, really.

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00:44:48,643 --> 00:44:49,543

Uh, good practice.

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00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:49,753

I don't.

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00:44:49,813 --> 00:44:50,233

Absolutely.

:

00:44:50,383 --> 00:44:51,433

It's all about intention.

:

00:44:51,673 --> 00:44:55,183

Yeah, for me, it just a 20 minute commute

to work sometimes in the mornings.

:

00:44:55,213 --> 00:44:57,493

And I'll, I'll realize I'll

get all the way to work and

:

00:44:57,583 --> 00:44:59,023

I hadn't turned on anything.

:

00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:01,483

And I was just like, wow, that's cool.

:

00:45:01,513 --> 00:45:02,053

Yeah.

:

00:45:02,383 --> 00:45:06,523

And it just so, and it just, I don't

know, it just allows me a moment

:

00:45:06,523 --> 00:45:07,603

cause I used to commute a lot.

:

00:45:08,233 --> 00:45:10,333

On trains like particular when

I've lifted in the Northeast.

:

00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:13,753

On trains for, you know,

extended periods of time when.

:

00:45:14,023 --> 00:45:15,343

Subway or commuter train.

:

00:45:15,883 --> 00:45:18,933

And honestly, most of the time I slept,

I was usually sleeping something off.

:

00:45:19,203 --> 00:45:19,503

Yeah.

:

00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:20,793

But anyway.

:

00:45:22,713 --> 00:45:25,983

I know that time was a lot quieter

than, you know, I didn't have.

:

00:45:26,493 --> 00:45:28,503

You know, if it, maybe it

was a paper or Walkman.

:

00:45:28,593 --> 00:45:29,163

You know what I mean?

:

00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:31,143

Those were the by two options.

:

00:45:31,263 --> 00:45:31,833

It's a Walkman.

:

00:45:31,953 --> 00:45:32,373

I'm just kidding.

:

00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:37,833

I just knew I'd get aroused.

:

00:45:38,073 --> 00:45:38,523

You guys.

:

00:45:39,273 --> 00:45:40,143

It's an accomplished.

:

00:45:41,493 --> 00:45:42,483

On a good old days.

:

00:45:43,863 --> 00:45:44,133

Okay.

:

00:45:45,853 --> 00:45:47,833

But just being completely quiet.

:

00:45:47,893 --> 00:45:48,253

Yeah.

:

00:45:49,333 --> 00:45:50,533

Uh, it's really nice.

:

00:45:50,773 --> 00:45:51,673

Yeah, I agree.

:

00:45:51,673 --> 00:45:51,733

Yeah.

:

00:45:51,823 --> 00:45:56,623

There's less and less times in our

regular lives that we it's truly silent.

:

00:45:56,903 --> 00:46:00,173

, but you may have seen, I feel like all

over social media now there's these ads

:

00:46:00,173 --> 00:46:01,583

for the, I think they're called loops.

:

00:46:01,643 --> 00:46:04,763

They're like earplugs, but they're

not total like block-out earplugs

:

00:46:04,853 --> 00:46:07,933

and there's different types of like

for concerts or . If you're somebody

:

00:46:07,963 --> 00:46:09,883

who gets overstimulated by noise.

:

00:46:10,273 --> 00:46:13,053

Um, so it's like walking through a

grocery store, I put on your pod.

:

00:46:13,173 --> 00:46:15,093

I walked through a grocery store

and kind of get my own world.

:

00:46:15,243 --> 00:46:17,373

But like these earplugs kind

of just like filter down.

:

00:46:17,403 --> 00:46:20,733

Like you can still talk to a person in

here thing, but it just turns that dimmer

:

00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:23,013

down on all that kind of extra in ways.

:

00:46:23,463 --> 00:46:25,593

And I think that there's probably

a lot more people that would

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00:46:25,593 --> 00:46:27,453

benefit from that than would think.

:

00:46:27,543 --> 00:46:28,023

Yeah.

:

00:46:28,323 --> 00:46:28,863

Right, right.

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00:46:28,893 --> 00:46:28,953

Yeah.

:

00:46:28,953 --> 00:46:31,353

Um, no, and I definitely

know what dark the.

:

00:46:31,803 --> 00:46:32,853

Um, what do we want to call it?

:

00:46:32,853 --> 00:46:34,113

The decibels or whatever that are.

:

00:46:34,413 --> 00:46:35,703

Firing around us all the time.

:

00:46:35,733 --> 00:46:35,973

Yeah.

:

00:46:36,873 --> 00:46:39,633

Just back in New York, after

many years of not being there.

:

00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:43,613

And, , I was very cognizant of

like just the outside noise.

:

00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:43,793

How.

:

00:46:44,213 --> 00:46:44,513

Yeah.

:

00:46:45,323 --> 00:46:48,383

And I remember back when I was

there living in my twenties.

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00:46:49,253 --> 00:46:51,533

You know, I don't think I ever slept.

:

00:46:53,483 --> 00:46:57,443

Just all the vibrations and the

noises and the garbage cans early in

:

00:46:57,443 --> 00:46:59,423

the morning or sirens or whatever.

:

00:46:59,753 --> 00:47:01,133

There was just always something.

:

00:47:01,163 --> 00:47:01,493

Yeah.

:

00:47:02,303 --> 00:47:02,693

Yeah.

:

00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:07,793

So, yeah, well, I do think it's ironic

that we are literally podcasting

:

00:47:07,793 --> 00:47:09,023

and people are listening to us.

:

00:47:09,233 --> 00:47:13,523

Right now, but also if you are listening

to us right now, then this is your

:

00:47:13,523 --> 00:47:16,223

sign to carve out some time today.

:

00:47:16,283 --> 00:47:17,093

For yourself.

:

00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:19,463

Yeah, but also finish our podcast.

:

00:47:19,523 --> 00:47:19,913

Cause it's good.

:

00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:22,013

As soon as you're done listening to us.

:

00:47:25,493 --> 00:47:25,943

But do it.

:

00:47:26,633 --> 00:47:27,263

I think that's fair.

:

00:47:29,063 --> 00:47:33,173

pivoting a little bit, Chris,

you taught a floral arranging

:

00:47:33,173 --> 00:47:35,063

class here a couple months ago.

:

00:47:35,543 --> 00:47:36,143

In the spring.

:

00:47:36,503 --> 00:47:39,833

And it was such a hit that it sold out

before I even made it to the website.

:

00:47:39,863 --> 00:47:40,643

Just word of mouth.

:

00:47:40,763 --> 00:47:41,693

Wow.

:

00:47:43,013 --> 00:47:44,243

It's such a popular guy.

:

00:47:44,453 --> 00:47:44,783

It.

:

00:47:44,843 --> 00:47:48,893

Well, I knew that it would be great

because I know you, but it was even better

:

00:47:48,923 --> 00:47:50,903

than I could have expected to this day.

:

00:47:50,903 --> 00:47:53,633

I still get text messages from

people who took that class with

:

00:47:53,633 --> 00:47:54,773

like, look at this arrangement.

:

00:47:54,773 --> 00:47:55,673

I just put together a dumb.

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00:47:56,843 --> 00:48:00,323

So this is a skill set that I think so

many people are interested in having,

:

00:48:00,353 --> 00:48:01,943

but maybe don't know where to begin.

:

00:48:02,183 --> 00:48:05,663

, and so, because that was such a

success, we've decided to have Chris

:

00:48:05,663 --> 00:48:07,703

come back and host another class.

:

00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:12,743

So Chris, that class is going

to be on Sunday, November 12th.

:

00:48:13,103 --> 00:48:14,063

, if you're listening.

:

00:48:15,023 --> 00:48:15,803

Keep your eyes peeled.

:

00:48:15,803 --> 00:48:20,723

We'll send out an email about this, but I

just want to kind of pre drop this class.

:

00:48:20,943 --> 00:48:22,293

, and Chris, I think we talked

about, we're going to do like

:

00:48:22,293 --> 00:48:23,463

a holiday theme this time.

:

00:48:23,463 --> 00:48:23,763

Right?

:

00:48:23,763 --> 00:48:24,543

Right, right.

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00:48:24,843 --> 00:48:25,143

Okay.

:

00:48:25,173 --> 00:48:28,963

So, so yeah, so that's definitely a thing,

whether you entertain or not, , I still

:

00:48:28,963 --> 00:48:33,103

just kind of adding something to your

home that could last a little bit, not.

:

00:48:33,203 --> 00:48:34,523

, something that maybe has a little bit.

:

00:48:34,973 --> 00:48:37,643

You know, can extend further

into the season than just a

:

00:48:37,853 --> 00:48:39,023

conventional flower arrangement.

:

00:48:39,533 --> 00:48:40,703

Oh, that's nice.

:

00:48:40,913 --> 00:48:41,543

That's lovely.

:

00:48:41,813 --> 00:48:44,543

I think this time of year two

people and all the time, but , it's

:

00:48:44,543 --> 00:48:46,913

very common for people to be like,

oh, it's so-and-so's birthday.

:

00:48:46,973 --> 00:48:49,223

Oh, I'm going to so-and-so's

for Thanksgiving.

:

00:48:49,433 --> 00:48:52,463

Let me grab this bouquet of flowers

at trader Joe's or Publix or whatever.

:

00:48:52,913 --> 00:48:53,993

And then it's like, here you go.

:

00:48:53,993 --> 00:48:56,033

So as the host is again,

here's another chore.

:

00:48:56,033 --> 00:48:59,513

So I, I actually don't believe

in bringing people just like

:

00:48:59,513 --> 00:49:00,803

up plastic thing of flowers.

:

00:49:00,833 --> 00:49:01,913

I think you either have it.

:

00:49:02,453 --> 00:49:05,993

And a base ready to go, or you

plan on doing it once you get there

:

00:49:05,993 --> 00:49:06,923

for them or something like that.

:

00:49:06,923 --> 00:49:09,263

But don't like, give

your host another chore.

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00:49:09,773 --> 00:49:10,793

I love that.

:

00:49:10,823 --> 00:49:11,843

Yeah, I agree.

:

00:49:11,933 --> 00:49:14,003

So many people don't like.

:

00:49:14,183 --> 00:49:15,803

You get this bouquet

of flowers, you notice.

:

00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:16,313

Cynthia ends.

:

00:49:16,343 --> 00:49:19,103

And then you kind of just shove it in

the vase the way it came in the bouquet.

:

00:49:19,103 --> 00:49:19,373

Yeah.

:

00:49:19,493 --> 00:49:22,373

And my biggest takeaway from your

class, Chris was that's absolutely

:

00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:23,303

not what you're supposed to do.

:

00:49:23,693 --> 00:49:27,293

And the elevation of just a grocery

store bouquet, just from the tips

:

00:49:27,293 --> 00:49:29,693

I learned in that class is in sane.

:

00:49:29,723 --> 00:49:33,263

So I feel like if you are somebody

who is going to give or receive

:

00:49:33,263 --> 00:49:36,773

flowers this holiday season, this

is the class where you write on.

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00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:37,553

I want to go.

:

00:49:37,553 --> 00:49:37,853

I agree.

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00:49:39,113 --> 00:49:39,383

Wow.

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00:49:39,683 --> 00:49:41,003

Please join us for that.

:

00:49:41,003 --> 00:49:42,053

It's it should be a lot of fun.

:

00:49:42,203 --> 00:49:43,223

Yes, I can't wait.

:

00:49:43,283 --> 00:49:43,373

Ugh.

:

00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:44,273

Lovely.

:

00:49:44,503 --> 00:49:48,043

Something that I was thinking about

is that talk about mindfulness

:

00:49:48,043 --> 00:49:50,953

when it comes to like building

flower arrangements, right.

:

00:49:51,523 --> 00:49:52,903

Oh, that's the connection

to the meditation.

:

00:49:53,443 --> 00:49:56,563

I'm sorry, there is something so.

:

00:49:57,283 --> 00:49:58,063

I brought that up.

:

00:49:58,453 --> 00:49:58,873

Right.

:

00:50:01,663 --> 00:50:02,233

Sorry, there we go.

:

00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:02,743

Nailed it.

:

00:50:03,673 --> 00:50:07,153

Um, but truly there is something

so mindful about, about

:

00:50:07,153 --> 00:50:08,323

just working with your hands.

:

00:50:08,353 --> 00:50:08,503

Like.

:

00:50:08,983 --> 00:50:10,093

I crochet a lot.

:

00:50:10,183 --> 00:50:10,513

Yeah.

:

00:50:11,083 --> 00:50:11,743

I made a purse today.

:

00:50:11,773 --> 00:50:12,163

I brought it.

:

00:50:12,163 --> 00:50:12,493

I'll show you.

:

00:50:14,833 --> 00:50:17,803

Just doing something like

that is so beautiful.

:

00:50:17,803 --> 00:50:20,113

And then getting to

share it with others is.

:

00:50:20,473 --> 00:50:21,313

Even more amazing.

:

00:50:21,343 --> 00:50:25,603

Even when I was doing the flowers for my

own wedding, I was absolutely a wreck.

:

00:50:25,603 --> 00:50:27,973

I was very, very stressed out, obviously.

:

00:50:28,033 --> 00:50:32,143

There, but there was something calming

that kind of centered me about putting I.

:

00:50:32,443 --> 00:50:34,063

I was only in charge of the bud vases.

:

00:50:34,123 --> 00:50:35,023

It was just like pudding.

:

00:50:35,743 --> 00:50:37,963

Putting one flower in one small vase.

:

00:50:38,023 --> 00:50:38,773

Yeah.

:

00:50:38,833 --> 00:50:39,913

Like 500 times.

:

00:50:40,003 --> 00:50:43,783

So I was doing that like all

day and it really did help

:

00:50:43,813 --> 00:50:45,493

regulate my system and yeah.

:

00:50:46,213 --> 00:50:47,173

I don't know.

:

00:50:47,203 --> 00:50:47,623

Yeah.

:

00:50:47,703 --> 00:50:50,343

But I will speak about a

couple mindfulness things.

:

00:50:51,873 --> 00:50:55,743

Experience I had with Adam mindful

meditation class that I'd taken.

:

00:50:56,013 --> 00:50:59,643

And it was a very small group

that was only like three people.

:

00:51:00,093 --> 00:51:01,113

Plus the instructor.

:

00:51:01,383 --> 00:51:01,653

Perfect.

:

00:51:01,803 --> 00:51:03,303

And so, and it was.

:

00:51:04,023 --> 00:51:06,363

The D the demographics of the

group, as small as it was,

:

00:51:06,363 --> 00:51:08,223

was very, very, very broad.

:

00:51:08,403 --> 00:51:08,763

Right.

:

00:51:08,763 --> 00:51:10,863

, and so I was probably the oldest.

:

00:51:11,263 --> 00:51:12,853

But anyways, there could

lead the ins through.

:

00:51:12,883 --> 00:51:17,443

And then, so we're being mindful about

our feet and our knees and our hips

:

00:51:17,443 --> 00:51:19,573

and our thighs, and then our crotch.

:

00:51:20,803 --> 00:51:22,483

The way the instructors said it.

:

00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:23,713

Sent me.

:

00:51:24,163 --> 00:51:25,213

I just couldn't recover.

:

00:51:25,213 --> 00:51:25,603

I had to.

:

00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,003

I had to leave cause I

couldn't stop laughing.

:

00:51:31,873 --> 00:51:32,473

now.

:

00:51:32,593 --> 00:51:33,583

Wait, what'd she say?

:

00:51:33,943 --> 00:51:35,413

Now acknowledge your crop.

:

00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:38,623

She called the crotch.

:

00:51:44,473 --> 00:51:45,253

Yeah.

:

00:51:48,823 --> 00:51:49,543

Actually.

:

00:51:51,673 --> 00:51:56,713

Actually, that's another thing about

these like mindful things for me.

:

00:51:57,233 --> 00:51:58,643

I went to a foot massage place.

:

00:51:58,643 --> 00:51:59,093

One time.

:

00:51:59,123 --> 00:51:59,513

Uh, huh.

:

00:51:59,663 --> 00:52:00,173

And.

:

00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:02,033

Without warning.

:

00:52:02,183 --> 00:52:03,383

I swear to God without warning.

:

00:52:03,413 --> 00:52:05,903

I was there to get my feet massage.

:

00:52:05,933 --> 00:52:06,353

Yeah.

:

00:52:06,353 --> 00:52:07,493

They turn you over.

:

00:52:07,493 --> 00:52:09,863

And your head is now where your feet are.

:

00:52:10,283 --> 00:52:12,503

And they start just like, oh man, it.

:

00:52:12,923 --> 00:52:13,703

We're on a podcast.

:

00:52:13,703 --> 00:52:17,453

It's not visual, but they start

basically they put the palms of their

:

00:52:17,453 --> 00:52:20,783

hands on your face and just pull.

:

00:52:22,043 --> 00:52:24,353

And so it really stretches your face.

:

00:52:24,413 --> 00:52:24,503

I.

:

00:52:25,043 --> 00:52:27,233

And then they grab your hands.

:

00:52:27,473 --> 00:52:29,383

From, above you and they like.

:

00:52:29,833 --> 00:52:31,183

Wiggle your arms.

:

00:52:31,843 --> 00:52:35,353

And I fucking lost.

:

00:52:36,553 --> 00:52:39,223

And this, and there's like other

people in this room, , it's

:

00:52:39,223 --> 00:52:40,393

like one of those like group.

:

00:52:40,993 --> 00:52:43,093

It's like, it's like a

discounted massage place.

:

00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:43,723

It's like, you.

:

00:52:43,933 --> 00:52:45,313

You go in, it's a dark room.

:

00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:47,553

, and there's people there's

like these nice chairs.

:

00:52:48,843 --> 00:52:49,203

Brunch.

:

00:52:49,413 --> 00:52:50,013

Cheshire bridge.

:

00:52:50,223 --> 00:52:50,883

Cheshire bridge.

:

00:52:52,563 --> 00:52:54,423

The one that I it's near Buford highway.

:

00:52:54,423 --> 00:52:55,713

I don't know if it's on Buford highway.

:

00:52:55,863 --> 00:52:56,523

When I went to.

:

00:52:57,183 --> 00:52:57,483

Perfect.

:

00:52:57,663 --> 00:52:58,053

Oh, my God.

:

00:52:58,713 --> 00:53:00,453

There's like six other

people in this room.

:

00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:01,713

Everyone's quiet.

:

00:53:01,763 --> 00:53:02,873

It's supposed to be mindful.

:

00:53:02,873 --> 00:53:03,683

And I.

:

00:53:04,823 --> 00:53:05,873

I lost it.

:

00:53:05,873 --> 00:53:09,383

And then my mom was in the room

too, and she also fucking lost.

:

00:53:09,923 --> 00:53:10,913

I was losing it.

:

00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:14,573

And then I think some other people started

laughing and I was like, I have to leave.

:

00:53:14,903 --> 00:53:17,693

Like I have to get out of here,

but like , I would have been, you.

:

00:53:18,263 --> 00:53:20,423

I would've been also leaving because that.

:

00:53:20,543 --> 00:53:26,423

It's just like, sometimes those, those

things are just a little bit too serious.

:

00:53:26,693 --> 00:53:26,993

Right.

:

00:53:27,053 --> 00:53:30,623

You know, like they're just our little,

you show up in the wrong frame of mind.

:

00:53:32,213 --> 00:53:32,813

I don't know.

:

00:53:32,813 --> 00:53:35,663

I feel like my frame of mind doesn't

really change in that department.

:

00:53:36,383 --> 00:53:38,603

If you say something like

crotch in front of me.

:

00:53:39,563 --> 00:53:43,163

During something so serious,

like, yeah, like I'm, it's not.

:

00:53:43,523 --> 00:53:48,173

I can't, I can't contain myself

like that is it's just too much.

:

00:53:48,833 --> 00:53:49,973

It's too much.

:

00:53:51,083 --> 00:53:54,233

I need some laughter and

I do think labor silent.

:

00:53:55,793 --> 00:53:57,713

Well in, in meditation.

:

00:53:58,253 --> 00:53:59,753

It's all too serious.

:

00:53:59,753 --> 00:54:03,893

It's like, give me anything,

give me some sort of like, Joke.

:

00:54:05,393 --> 00:54:05,993

Okay.

:

00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:07,823

Massage therapist.

:

00:54:09,443 --> 00:54:10,553

I tell them ahead of time.

:

00:54:10,553 --> 00:54:14,903

Now when I get massages now,

I'm like, if I laugh, like I am.

:

00:54:15,683 --> 00:54:16,313

Sorry.

:

00:54:17,543 --> 00:54:19,853

And they're like, no, let any emotion out.

:

00:54:19,853 --> 00:54:20,333

And I'm like, okay.

:

00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:20,873

That's true.

:

00:54:22,103 --> 00:54:22,553

Just warning.

:

00:54:22,553 --> 00:54:23,783

You try a private massage.

:

00:54:24,563 --> 00:54:25,373

I've only done that.

:

00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:26,813

I've only now done this.

:

00:54:27,563 --> 00:54:29,633

I'm on to more expensive massages.

:

00:54:30,053 --> 00:54:30,983

Which is very good.

:

00:54:31,433 --> 00:54:31,733

Yeah.

:

00:54:32,153 --> 00:54:35,063

You know, that medieval

torture device called the rack.

:

00:54:35,543 --> 00:54:36,473

They lay you out on it.

:

00:54:36,473 --> 00:54:38,843

And they like stretch out your

arms above your head, your.

:

00:54:39,833 --> 00:54:41,483

And then they basically stretch you apart.

:

00:54:41,723 --> 00:54:44,183

I saw this meme the other

day, that was like Lukey.

:

00:54:44,183 --> 00:54:45,503

I bet that feels really good.

:

00:54:46,163 --> 00:54:46,943

Right in the middle.

:

00:54:47,153 --> 00:54:48,053

Right before it doesn't.

:

00:54:49,703 --> 00:54:51,413

That's what I pictured

with your arms stretched.

:

00:54:53,513 --> 00:54:54,983

It was the jiggle for me.

:

00:54:56,273 --> 00:54:58,373

I was like the jiggle

of the arms that I just.

:

00:55:02,033 --> 00:55:04,163

Oh my God anyways.

:

00:55:04,643 --> 00:55:04,973

Wow.

:

00:55:05,633 --> 00:55:07,703

I paid for 10, 10 of those classes.

:

00:55:07,703 --> 00:55:08,933

And I think that was the second one.

:

00:55:08,933 --> 00:55:09,413

I never went.

:

00:55:09,803 --> 00:55:10,343

Oh my God.

:

00:55:10,343 --> 00:55:10,823

Seriously.

:

00:55:11,183 --> 00:55:13,673

Did you return to the room

after you briefly left?

:

00:55:13,673 --> 00:55:13,943

Or were you.

:

00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:15,653

You got in your car.

:

00:55:15,653 --> 00:55:16,583

Like, I can't do that.

:

00:55:17,213 --> 00:55:19,103

I felt like I was just

being a disturbance.

:

00:55:19,403 --> 00:55:21,563

Oh, Chris disturbing peace.

:

00:55:21,623 --> 00:55:21,713

I.

:

00:55:21,743 --> 00:55:24,383

I felt like I was a disturbance

in that massage parlor.

:

00:55:25,313 --> 00:55:25,733

I was.

:

00:55:27,893 --> 00:55:28,313

And your interim.

:

00:55:28,583 --> 00:55:29,573

You are too, I guess.

:

00:55:31,253 --> 00:55:31,943

Oh, my God.

:

00:55:32,333 --> 00:55:34,763

I think it's you got to get

yourself in the right room

:

00:55:34,763 --> 00:55:35,963

with the right people, right?

:

00:55:36,353 --> 00:55:36,833

Yeah.

:

00:55:36,863 --> 00:55:37,793

And have the right mindset.

:

00:55:37,823 --> 00:55:37,913

It's.

:

00:55:38,153 --> 00:55:39,233

It's a nuanced.

:

00:55:41,693 --> 00:55:44,933

Maybe just go in, like knowing you have

to bite your tongue a little bit, like.

:

00:55:47,303 --> 00:55:50,723

Sometimes it's just like, you know, Yeah.

:

00:55:50,813 --> 00:55:52,913

Sometimes it just gets,

yes, the right by now.

:

00:55:54,113 --> 00:55:57,653

Especially in a relaxing state,

like you were not thinking like,

:

00:55:57,683 --> 00:55:59,063

oh, I got to chill the fuck out.

:

00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:00,293

That's all I'm thinking.

:

00:56:00,323 --> 00:56:04,013

I got a massage in Norway

once and she massaged my tits.

:

00:56:04,463 --> 00:56:08,153

I like she started working her way

up my thighs and I was like, okay.

:

00:56:08,423 --> 00:56:10,313

And then she got to my stomach

and I was like, that's weird,

:

00:56:10,313 --> 00:56:11,063

but it feels kind of good.

:

00:56:11,093 --> 00:56:12,953

And then she got into my

boobs and I was like, am I.

:

00:56:13,163 --> 00:56:16,853

Uh, professional establishment, but I

was like, I mean, it feels kind of good.

:

00:56:17,033 --> 00:56:19,643

So I let her do it and I was just like,

:

00:56:21,473 --> 00:56:23,063

How much further is this going to go?

:

00:56:23,693 --> 00:56:24,143

I mean.

:

00:56:24,233 --> 00:56:25,733

And she told me I had

the skin of an Eskimo.

:

00:56:27,833 --> 00:56:29,153

What the fuck does that mean?

:

00:56:29,453 --> 00:56:29,903

Cold.

:

00:56:30,683 --> 00:56:31,763

Y fuck.

:

00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:35,273

White and cold in Norway.

:

00:56:35,273 --> 00:56:35,843

And I was like,

:

00:56:38,093 --> 00:56:39,293

Thank you for the breast exam.

:

00:56:40,103 --> 00:56:40,403

Yeah.

:

00:56:40,403 --> 00:56:41,813

Like, did you feel any bumps, like.

:

00:56:42,083 --> 00:56:42,563

Tell me.

:

00:56:44,423 --> 00:56:46,403

Oh, But I didn't laugh.

:

00:56:46,493 --> 00:56:49,043

Like I stayed Jill, like in my brain.

:

00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:50,063

Let me laugh.

:

00:56:50,513 --> 00:56:53,663

Loki like a little, like, depending

on how you're feeling in the

:

00:56:53,663 --> 00:56:55,163

moment that could be traumatizing.

:

00:56:55,163 --> 00:56:56,993

That could be like, no,

this is like assault.

:

00:56:57,233 --> 00:57:00,713

Um, could be, could go that

direction, maybe, you know?

:

00:57:00,773 --> 00:57:02,483

Well, I could've fought her off.

:

00:57:02,603 --> 00:57:02,933

I think.

:

00:57:03,923 --> 00:57:04,853

In an emergency.

:

00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:08,093

She's still, it's still felt like a

professional environment to an extent.

:

00:57:08,483 --> 00:57:12,883

Well, I was on like a, I don't know if

a mattress is a fair word on the floor.

:

00:57:14,323 --> 00:57:17,113

I got to find all this to pick

stories, not sounding great.

:

00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:21,253

This massage room, I'm going

to find it and I'll post it.

:

00:57:21,253 --> 00:57:23,383

When we do our like

post episode Instagram.

:

00:57:24,133 --> 00:57:27,283

But I'll find it and you're

gonna be like, oh, Oh, no.

:

00:57:27,433 --> 00:57:28,213

Of course.

:

00:57:28,483 --> 00:57:29,713

That's where you had a breast exam.

:

00:57:32,233 --> 00:57:32,983

Oh, my God.

:

00:57:33,283 --> 00:57:34,663

All had a crazy massage moment.

:

00:57:34,723 --> 00:57:40,633

I was in Brussels with a good friend of

mine and we went to, well, we accidentally

:

00:57:40,663 --> 00:57:43,273

went to a Jack shack and we each got.

:

00:57:43,753 --> 00:57:46,543

Is that, you know what

Jack, like jerk off.

:

00:57:46,573 --> 00:57:47,323

Look at Jack Jack.

:

00:57:47,683 --> 00:57:47,863

Okay.

:

00:57:48,043 --> 00:57:48,583

For dudes.

:

00:57:49,003 --> 00:57:49,483

Literally.

:

00:57:49,573 --> 00:57:49,783

Yeah.

:

00:57:49,843 --> 00:57:50,953

It was like the sparse room.

:

00:57:50,953 --> 00:57:54,643

There's just a massage table,

some Kleenex and Lubriderm.

:

00:57:54,883 --> 00:57:57,373

And I was like, oh, there's no

like lavender essential oils.

:

00:57:57,793 --> 00:57:58,603

Bob music.

:

00:57:58,663 --> 00:58:00,613

And they were kind of

surprised when we came in.

:

00:58:01,123 --> 00:58:02,023

It was very spontaneous.

:

00:58:02,023 --> 00:58:04,543

We just like we're on this weird little

side street and it was like massage.

:

00:58:04,753 --> 00:58:05,983

And we were like, oh, we love those.

:

00:58:07,363 --> 00:58:07,873

Why not.

:

00:58:08,083 --> 00:58:11,293

My face is like right

now, you can't see it.

:

00:58:11,353 --> 00:58:11,803

Bye.

:

00:58:12,013 --> 00:58:13,513

Misuse was also sick.

:

00:58:13,543 --> 00:58:15,073

So she was like, in my face, like.

:

00:58:15,913 --> 00:58:19,183

Oh, horrible.

:

00:58:19,723 --> 00:58:21,463

, wait, so I'm confused.

:

00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:25,443

Uh, this Jack shack was, , you

got a massage there.

:

00:58:25,503 --> 00:58:28,953

I did get a massage and I think if I

had a Dick, I would have gotten a Jack.

:

00:58:30,753 --> 00:58:32,403

I got just like a bad Muslim.

:

00:58:33,423 --> 00:58:34,383

Oh, so like that.

:

00:58:37,323 --> 00:58:37,503

Yeah.

:

00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:38,553

Oh my God.

:

00:58:38,613 --> 00:58:40,083

Like literally they don't do it.

:

00:58:40,143 --> 00:58:41,913

The other, like they

don't do it for ladies.

:

00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:43,113

Well, okay.

:

00:58:43,263 --> 00:58:43,593

Because.

:

00:58:44,103 --> 00:58:47,043

The topic, honestly, that's

kind of, it's kind of rude.

:

00:58:47,433 --> 00:58:48,273

I agree.

:

00:58:48,483 --> 00:58:48,783

I.

:

00:58:49,203 --> 00:58:50,883

Recently had whatever.

:

00:58:51,063 --> 00:58:52,593

And it started happening to you though.

:

00:58:52,593 --> 00:58:53,463

You would have been like the.

:

00:58:54,423 --> 00:58:55,563

We'll listen to the story.

:

00:58:55,673 --> 00:58:58,823

So I had a friend who went to go

get a foot massage at a place that

:

00:58:58,823 --> 00:59:00,443

I go to at least once a month.

:

00:59:00,563 --> 00:59:02,633

It is in town and everybody knows it.

:

00:59:03,023 --> 00:59:04,373

She went with a good friend of hers.

:

00:59:04,733 --> 00:59:08,603

And it's these big kind of like

La-Z-Boy recliners and there's

:

00:59:08,603 --> 00:59:09,833

this kind of like Fisher island.

:

00:59:10,283 --> 00:59:10,853

I don't know.

:

00:59:11,153 --> 00:59:12,623

So it's like these big recliner.

:

00:59:12,653 --> 00:59:13,973

That's like a common set of all of them.

:

00:59:14,003 --> 00:59:14,243

Kelly.

:

00:59:14,273 --> 00:59:16,583

I think it's like copy

paste type of situation.

:

00:59:17,003 --> 00:59:21,713

Um, it's like sheer kind of

gauzy curtain between the chairs,

:

00:59:21,743 --> 00:59:23,033

but you're all in the same room.

:

00:59:23,363 --> 00:59:27,563

So she said that the guy that was

massaging her was very handsy and like he

:

00:59:27,563 --> 00:59:30,503

was massaging her shoulders and like kind

of got down and got like pretty close to

:

00:59:30,503 --> 00:59:32,243

her boob, but she was like, it felt good.

:

00:59:32,243 --> 00:59:32,783

I didn't mind.

:

00:59:32,783 --> 00:59:33,323

I was single.

:

00:59:33,323 --> 00:59:34,643

So she kinda like leaned into it and.

:

00:59:34,973 --> 00:59:35,453

And stop him.

:

00:59:35,573 --> 00:59:36,413

He didn't touch her.

:

00:59:36,473 --> 00:59:37,043

He didn't like.

:

00:59:37,403 --> 00:59:42,413

Do anything inappropriate there, but

you know, He was very, I guess, I don't

:

00:59:42,413 --> 00:59:44,333

know, who's just exploring that area.

:

00:59:44,573 --> 00:59:46,073

More than like your basic.

:

00:59:46,373 --> 00:59:49,763

So then he got down to her feet and

then he worked his way up her legs.

:

00:59:50,273 --> 00:59:52,613

And he fingered her.

:

00:59:54,203 --> 00:59:54,683

And I was like,

:

00:59:57,593 --> 00:59:59,693

I know that I was like, whoa.

:

01:00:00,323 --> 01:00:02,753

Like I, should I be offended that

I've never been fingered there?

:

01:00:05,033 --> 01:00:05,573

I have.

:

01:00:05,573 --> 01:00:07,553

So what equate, what the fuck did she do?

:

01:00:07,733 --> 01:00:11,513

She asked for his card and gave him a

big tip and went back the next week.

:

01:00:12,803 --> 01:00:13,823

I was like, did you finish?

:

01:00:13,823 --> 01:00:15,383

And she was like, yes, it was amazing.

:

01:00:15,533 --> 01:00:17,033

And it was like, wait, but your

friend was right next to you.

:

01:00:17,063 --> 01:00:18,413

And she's like, yeah,

that was half of the fun.

:

01:00:18,413 --> 01:00:20,303

And I was like, oh my God.

:

01:00:23,093 --> 01:00:24,443

I talk about this with friends.

:

01:00:24,443 --> 01:00:26,453

Like, could you ever let it happen?

:

01:00:26,483 --> 01:00:28,643

And I don't think I fucking guide.

:

01:00:28,793 --> 01:00:29,693

I don't think I could.

:

01:00:29,783 --> 01:00:30,383

I do not.

:

01:00:30,893 --> 01:00:32,093

I was like, was he cute?

:

01:00:32,123 --> 01:00:33,773

And she's like, no, like obvious.

:

01:00:35,033 --> 01:00:36,443

Like my eyes were closed.

:

01:00:36,503 --> 01:00:39,353

She was like, I had my little lab, dry

pillow on, he could have been anyone.

:

01:00:39,553 --> 01:00:42,133

Oh, my, I wonder what

the friend was thinking.

:

01:00:42,163 --> 01:00:44,713

She didn't know to this day,

the friend doesn't know it was

:

01:00:44,713 --> 01:00:47,653

like, Silent silent occurrence.

:

01:00:47,683 --> 01:00:48,643

Exactly.

:

01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:49,213

Yes.

:

01:00:49,693 --> 01:00:49,933

Yes.

:

01:00:50,173 --> 01:00:51,613

So she got finger banged during.

:

01:00:52,843 --> 01:00:53,293

Yeah.

:

01:00:53,383 --> 01:00:55,753

So, yes, it does happen

to what not in the same.

:

01:00:56,773 --> 01:00:58,243

Prevalence that it does for men.

:

01:00:58,993 --> 01:01:00,793

Like men, there's places

all over the place with.

:

01:01:01,423 --> 01:01:02,053

I've asked people.

:

01:01:02,053 --> 01:01:04,813

I dated about this ever since I heard

this story about my friend, I've asked

:

01:01:04,813 --> 01:01:06,463

people like, have you, do you do this?

:

01:01:06,463 --> 01:01:08,053

Have you gotten a happy ending one guy?

:

01:01:08,053 --> 01:01:08,623

I was dating this summer.

:

01:01:08,653 --> 01:01:09,373

I was like, I mean, yeah.

:

01:01:09,433 --> 01:01:10,003

And I was like, whoa.

:

01:01:11,353 --> 01:01:11,863

Yeah.

:

01:01:11,893 --> 01:01:12,223

He's like.

:

01:01:12,553 --> 01:01:13,633

People die all the time.

:

01:01:13,723 --> 01:01:17,053

I need to know if consent

is involved in these places.

:

01:01:19,273 --> 01:01:19,993

Some of them.

:

01:01:20,023 --> 01:01:21,793

I really like the fuck.

:

01:01:22,183 --> 01:01:25,663

It's kind of like an if you know, you

know, type of thing, and this guy.

:

01:01:25,753 --> 01:01:28,183

If you don't know, then you're

getting fingered by some stranger.

:

01:01:28,273 --> 01:01:30,733

Well, she could have stopped

him obviously, but she

:

01:01:30,733 --> 01:01:31,963

said like she was her way.

:

01:01:31,963 --> 01:01:33,223

There's still a finger up in there.

:

01:01:34,243 --> 01:01:35,353

Before you say, stop.

:

01:01:35,803 --> 01:01:36,793

Either way we'll know.

:

01:01:37,123 --> 01:01:41,293

You can tell, like, She was like,

I was giving him like, she like.

:

01:01:41,833 --> 01:01:46,393

Open her legs and was like, oh, giving

him cues that like, this is fine.

:

01:01:47,893 --> 01:01:52,333

He keeps pushing her boundaries

and she gradually let him.

:

01:01:53,623 --> 01:01:55,093

Um, so yeah.

:

01:01:55,293 --> 01:01:56,283

, it was like, fuck.

:

01:01:56,823 --> 01:01:57,153

No.

:

01:02:01,683 --> 01:02:01,983

no.

:

01:02:02,163 --> 01:02:03,483

I can't even buy me dinner first.

:

01:02:03,483 --> 01:02:04,353

I'm paying for this.

:

01:02:04,413 --> 01:02:04,953

Yeah.

:

01:02:05,043 --> 01:02:05,553

Oh, my God.

:

01:02:05,583 --> 01:02:05,913

Yeah.

:

01:02:07,443 --> 01:02:11,343

But it is a lot easier for men than women,

but that's one of the flight was a good.

:

01:02:11,643 --> 01:02:12,963

I mean, that's, that's an art.

:

01:02:14,373 --> 01:02:15,153

It's pretty wild.

:

01:02:15,483 --> 01:02:17,403

Yeah, it's a wild story.

:

01:02:17,493 --> 01:02:20,433

I know, but she literally, she was

like, I took his card and went back

:

01:02:20,463 --> 01:02:21,963

the next week for a full body massage.

:

01:02:21,993 --> 01:02:23,013

I was like, did it happen again?

:

01:02:23,013 --> 01:02:24,033

And she was like, yes.

:

01:02:24,783 --> 01:02:26,283

She walked in and said,

do you remember me?

:

01:02:26,283 --> 01:02:27,453

And he said, I sure do.

:

01:02:31,893 --> 01:02:32,433

I know.

:

01:02:32,583 --> 01:02:33,363

I had no idea.

:

01:02:33,363 --> 01:02:35,253

This conversation was going

to take this door to that.

:

01:02:36,213 --> 01:02:37,173

I love this podcast.

:

01:02:37,323 --> 01:02:39,213

When you get your list together,

you just never know what

:

01:02:39,213 --> 01:02:40,203

stories are going to come out.

:

01:02:41,193 --> 01:02:41,793

So true.

:

01:02:42,423 --> 01:02:42,993

So true.

:

01:02:43,143 --> 01:02:47,043

I mean, like you said, you know, When,

you know, you know, or whatever it is, you

:

01:02:47,043 --> 01:02:48,513

said it triggered a thought in my brain.

:

01:02:48,513 --> 01:02:49,173

Like when I was.

:

01:02:49,503 --> 01:02:51,303

Uh, visiting friends this past weekend.

:

01:02:52,803 --> 01:02:53,223

, There were Cubs.

:

01:02:53,223 --> 01:02:54,573

Somebody said something about there's.

:

01:02:54,663 --> 01:02:57,123

Uh, two things that are constant

about gay men in New York.

:

01:02:57,123 --> 01:02:58,473

I can't remember what the first one was.

:

01:02:58,653 --> 01:02:59,463

But it was so true.

:

01:02:59,853 --> 01:03:01,353

Probably drug-related, but I don't know.

:

01:03:02,193 --> 01:03:05,943

I'd have that was number one, but

number two was that they've all

:

01:03:06,513 --> 01:03:08,343

fooled around with a taxi driver.

:

01:03:08,463 --> 01:03:09,873

. Wow.

:

01:03:10,023 --> 01:03:10,503

The thing.

:

01:03:10,503 --> 01:03:11,223

I didn't know why.

:

01:03:11,273 --> 01:03:13,913

. So while my God, I feel so boring.

:

01:03:14,693 --> 01:03:16,133

Yeah, same.

:

01:03:16,523 --> 01:03:18,593

Then she gently caressed my boob.

:

01:03:19,883 --> 01:03:20,513

And then I left.

:

01:03:21,023 --> 01:03:22,613

I haven't had any of those stories.

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So.

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You've still got time.

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Well, Hey, on that note, I

feel like we should wrap it up.

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And if you're, if you're having

consensual strange sex, you

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should also be wrapping it up.

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, but we just got in a new line of

condoms, actually called slip.

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A woman owned a nice company.

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You feel free to go check 'em out.

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, wow.

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Okay, everybody.

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Thank you so much for listening, Chris.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for the.

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And the humor.

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. If you enjoyed today's episode,

please feel free to share it.

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maybe leave us a review, you know,

whatever, if you're feeling generous.

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, you can find us on Instagram

at Clover club pod.

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And as always listeners get 10%

off@hawkinsoncleaver.com with

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And we will see you next week.

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That was so good.

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Oh, my God.

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Curious conversations and stories intended to make you laugh and learn.
As a shop owner and hair stylist with an impressive number of stamps on her passport, Erika Audrey has heard or experienced it all. And she's ready to share. These real life conversations and stories will make you laugh, cry, and gasp- sometimes in the same episode! Join Erika Audrey straight from Atlanta gift shop Hawkins & Clover. Welcome to Clover Club.

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Erika Audrey, a luminous presence hailing from the vibrant city of Atlanta, Georgia, is not your ordinary hairstylist and boutique owner. With a zest for life that's as contagious as her laughter, Erika is poised to take the podcasting world by storm as she embarks on her latest venture.

Launching her debut podcast is a natural extension of Erika's multifaceted personality. With an uncanny ability to seamlessly weave humor into her conversations, Erika's laughter-inducing anecdotes and razor-sharp wit are bound to captivate listeners. Her intelligence shines through as she tackles a diverse range of topics, proving that beneath the laughter lies substance and insight.