Episode 22

Shop Talk

Published on: 29th January, 2024

On this episode of Clover Club, Erika Audrey and Jenn Jones invite you to eavesdrop on their chat as they discuss their intertwining careers in hairdressing, reflecting on the highs and lows of entrepreneurship in the beauty industry. Jenn, not only a salon owner but also a doula, shares the profound moments she witnesses during childbirth, offering a unique perspective on the beauty of new beginnings.

Through the lens of their shared experiences, the duo explores the delicate balance of creativity and business acumen required to thrive in their respective fields. Listen in as they weave tales of growth, resilience, and the lessons learned from their journey as skilled artisans in the realm of beauty.

While laughter naturally finds its way into the conversation, "Shop Talk" emphasizes the art of dialogue that Erika and Jenn have mastered through countless hours spent conversing with clients. Join them as they peel back the layers of their lives, offering a rich tapestry of stories that go beyond the salon chair, providing a glimpse into the fascinating world of two conversational pros navigating life, business, and beauty in Atlanta.

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Transcript
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Welcome to Clover club, a podcast about

curious conversations and stories and

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tended to make you laugh and learn.

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I'm your host, Erica.

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And today is a unique episode

because today is the first episode.

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I have recorded with a guest

who I've never met before.

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, but she knows.

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All of my friends and we have so many

mutuals and comment and it became clear

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that she needed to come on to Clover club.

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So I'm ecstatic to welcome

Jen Jones, owner of creature.

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ATL Jen.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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So happy to be here, so happy to have you.

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, so Jen is really good friends with, if

you listen to episode six champ owner

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of guilty party and his wife, Marissa.

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And so this is kind of

a full circle situation.

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Cause Jen is now sitting

at the taco bell table.

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That champ forced me to buy.

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Which I love by the way.

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I mean, just brings up all the nostalgia.

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Yes.

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Then a soldier, for sure.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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So Jen, Jen is a vegan.

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It's true.

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Can you eat to talk about, or have you

ever sat at a taco bell table before?

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Yes, because I have not

been vegan my whole life.

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Okay.

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, and I think you can eat a taco bell.

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There's definitely things you can do.

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Like take the cheese off.

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And the sour cream off.

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I have not because I think there's

other things that happen to me

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when I go to taco bell that I

probably don't want to talk about.

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All of us.

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I steer clear of the taco bell.

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That's totally fair.

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But I do talk about, I think is

one of the most versatile fast food

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establishments for multiple dietary needs.

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So you can do the

gluten-free there as well.

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Totally.

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Easy, but they've got the dessert,

the cinnamon twisties, those.

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Those are amazing.

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I feel like those would be vegan.

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They're vegan.

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Okay.

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And I feel like they're

gluten free as well.

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Aren't they?

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Corn based.

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I believe so, or like,

rice-based ask the internet.

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I'm going to ask again, we're going.

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To put them in, in that.

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Good to know.

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Yeah, I love talk about, , so Jen

creature ATL is a salon, right?

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You are a hairdresser.

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It is true.

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I am a hairdresser.

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And.

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I was, I was explaining

to Jenna a little bit ago.

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, one of the common pieces of feedback

that I've gotten about this podcast.

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Is that there's such a variation

in the types of guests that

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I've had, but it's been.

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I'm like, how do I compliment myself

while repeating, please do, please do.

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Go ahead.

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But then I've done a good job of,

uh, creating conversation with so

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many different people and I'm like,

oh, that's cause I'm a hairdresser.

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Like that's, you have to be good at having

a conversation to be a good hairdresser.

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And, uh, so I'm like what a perfect

opportunity to kind of put that on

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display than to get another hairdresser

up here and show you guys how to

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people who've never met before.

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Can have an awesome and

engaging conversation.

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Yeah.

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I can not shut up.

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I love we're going to not shut up.

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This whole time.

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I agree.

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Jen this, you made me

think of this so cheesy.

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I don't want to open this up.

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I want to read you a quote.

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Please do.

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I'm back.

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I don't know if you've

ever heard this before.

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Okay.

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, you may have, but it's one of my

favorites and it's about hairdressers.

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So I'm John Steinbeck.

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The author says it is my considered

opinion that the hairdresser is the most

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influential person in any community.

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When the public goes to a hairdresser,

something happens to them.

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They feel safe and they relax.

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The hairdresser knows what their

skin is like under their makeup.

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They know their age.

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. They don't have to keep

up any kind of pretense.

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People tell a hairdresser things.

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They wouldn't dare confess to a

priest and they're open about matters.

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They try to conceal from a doctor.

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When people place their secret

lives in the hairdresser's hands,

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the hairdresser gains in authority,

few other people ever attain.

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I have heard hairdressers

quoted with complete conviction

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on art, literature, politics,

economics, childcare, and morals.

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I tell you that a clever, thoughtful,

ambitious hairdresser wields the power

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beyond the comprehension of most people.

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Does that resonate with you?

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Absolutely very well said so well,

was he married to a hairdresser?

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How does he know?

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That's a great question.

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Um, he either was married to

a hairdresser or just like.

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Had a good hairdresser.

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Yeah, he's just perceptive maybe,

maybe, but that was yeah, no

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truer thing has ever been said.

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Yeah.

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And it's, I think

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Being a hairdresser isn't easy.

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The first chunk of every hairdresser

has career involves a lot of

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tears, a lot of frustration.

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Trauma so much trauma.

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But if you do it right on the

other side of that, it is such

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a rewarding profession because.

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We are able to weave ourselves

throughout so many different

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facets of life and types of people.

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And that's something that I really have

wanted to, to display on this podcast.

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And, uh, it's, it's just

so rewarding and so cool.

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Like, do you feel that way?

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I totally feel that way.

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And I think it's, it's an amazing

profession where you can, I

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mean, the world is your oyster.

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You can have the career of your dreams

and you can have work-life balance.

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Like I have a whole team of

people now who I'm trying to

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coach through all of that, right?

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Like if you want to go on a vacation,

figure out how much it's going to cost.

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Yeah.

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Break it down, figure out how many extra

clients you need to do to get that.

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Like, you can go on

vacation, even if you're.

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You know, only have a little bit extra,

like you don't have to wait until you're

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making six figures to go on vacation.

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You just have to plan it out.

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And that can be as easy as like two

extra days a month behind the chair or.

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One extra client in your

chair every time you work.

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I mean, it's, the freedom is just amazing.

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It truly, truly is.

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, Jen, did you go to college?

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I did.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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What was your major?

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Sociology.

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And yeah.

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Right.

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And, , I had a minor in

drug and alcohol rehab.

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Studies.

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Yeah.

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I have a lot of addicts in my family,

so I was kind of picked just the

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industry to exercise that muscle.

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I have been able to use so much

of what I learned in college.

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I was not stoked to go to college.

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My parents were kind of like, we'll float.

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You we'll pay for your college, but if

you go to beauty school, now you're done.

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Oh, you're like out of the

payroll, you know, like just, ah,

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And I wasn't ready to do that.

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So.

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I did do hair when I was in

college, just on the side and

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kind of kept up those skills and

then went to an Aveda Institute.

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As soon as I was done, I also

went to an Aveda Institute.

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Oh, my God.

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This is so funny.

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So I always wanted to be a lawyer.

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And then I got my first salon job.

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Well, I grew up in the beauty industry.

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My mom was a hairdresser and then my dad

works on the business side of things.

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, so I'd always grown up around hair

shows and salons and stuff like that,

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but I always wanted to be a lawyer and.

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Yeah.

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Were you like I'm not doing hair?

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Um, uh, sort of, yeah.

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Okay.

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Um, Ah, but I also was interested in it.

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And so when I was 16, I got a job

as just a general assistant at van.

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My goal.

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And it was my crash course in salon staff.

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And that was right around the

time they opened up , the Aveda

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Institute here in Atlanta.

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And so my boss at the time was like, Hey,

listen, look, I know you want to be a

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lawyer, but like, Beauty schools a year.

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Why don't you just go get your license?

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And then you can work while

you're in college and make money.

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And I was like, that's

a solid piece of advice.

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That is a solid piece of advice.

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Yeah.

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So I took it and I went to beauty school

and then I was like, oh, I'm good at this.

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And then I was like, why would

I go spend six figures on

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college and all of this time?

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And so I, I didn't go, but then.

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During those building gears.

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, oh, I can't tell you how many teary-eyed

phone calls my mom thought of, like,

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why didn't you make me go to college?

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And now it's the best decision

I've ever made in my life.

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I know.

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Cause you just got started.

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Yeah.

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I just, I just went for it

and I don't have college debt.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to say that.

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I wasted my time going to college.

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Um, because I, I grew up a lot

during that and I got to kind of fuck

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around without having to find out.

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Too hard, you know?

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Like in a safety net, so yeah.

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But.

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It would be, I don't know.

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It'd be interesting to

see where I'd be now.

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If I, if I had just gone right into it

and maybe it wouldn't have been great.

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I mean, obviously my path

that I took led me to here.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I went to an Aveda Institute in

chapel hill and I was in the first class.

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Oh, wow.

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And they had a scholarship competition

before, so I won that nine, so I only had

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to pay half of the outrageous tuition.

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That's awesome.

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That was probably more than my

whole four years of college.

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Yeah.

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, yeah.

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Then my life totally fell apart.

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Like it does in beauty school.

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Right.

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And then it got back together

and it's been great ever since.

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I love that.

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So are you from North Carolina?

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That's where I mostly grew up.

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We kinda moved around a little

bit, Georgia, Florida, but then

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ended up in North Carolina and

elementary school and kind of stayed.

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Yeah.

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I always say like where you

graduate from high school was.

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Yeah, North Carolina.

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My family is still there, so, okay.

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So go back a lot.

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Okay.

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So what brought you to Atlanta?

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Oh man, van Michael.

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Oh, let's circle around to our connection.

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So I was going to innovate an Institute

and van came to one of our career fairs.

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And towards the end of beauty

school, my life fell apart.

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Like I said, yeah, my husband

who I'm married to now, we were

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dating then and we broke up.

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Uh, huh.

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And I was like, fuck you.

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I'm out.

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So I was like, oh, this

guy from Atlanta came.

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Maybe I can go work at that salon.

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So I moved here.

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Yeah.

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I mean in his accent as wild, right?

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Like vans, accent he's

from that south Georgia.

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And I was like, Ooh, where's he from?

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And then you realize it's like Southern.

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Yeah.

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Like real Southern.

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Um, so yeah, I moved to

Atlanta to work at van Michael.

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So that's where our first you

and I intersect right there.

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Yeah.

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Which location did you work out?

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I started, , I was an assistant

at, , Virginia Highlands.

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Okay.

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And then I was on the

floor and Sandy Springs.

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Oh my God.

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I started at Sandy Springs.

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Oh, I would have known if we had

overlapped, obviously, do we want to

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talk about what years we were there?

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, I was there, it was like 2002, 2003.

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Okay.

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So I was there after you.

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I was like 2005.

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Wow.

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So we just missed each other 2000.

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Thousand six, 2007.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Crazy.

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Right.

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It was Manny.

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Manny there when you worked there, Manny?

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Yes.

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Is it Manny still there, man.

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He's not still there.

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Okay, well, Manny was there.

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Okay.

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Manny is one of the most eccentric

human beings I've ever met.

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To this day.

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And I remember he goes through these

phases with lunch, where he would bring

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in the same thing for like six months.

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And when I was there, it

was a pineapple and entire.

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Wait, was it already cut up?

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So he would come like really?

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It's like five minutes between clients

with this jargon, saber and his pineapple.

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To oh my God.

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And you can picture this though.

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I can totally picture it.

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I did not experience

pineapples with Manny, so no.

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No bunch of when you were there.

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I don't remember.

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I think I was just probably, I

don't remember a lot of those years.

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That's okay.

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Yeah.

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I was young.

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And, uh, yeah, I don't

remember that actually.

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I spent most of my time.

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I mean, the majority of the time

I was working for the company

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was in, , Virginia Highlands.

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Okay.

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And so via Michael's departmentalized

where you cut or color color.

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Okay.

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And then are you, do you do both now?

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I do both now.

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So when I left there, I

moved to New York city.

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Okay.

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And didn't really feel in alignment for me

to go work at another big salon like that.

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Um, so I worked at a really small

rock and roll salon called mud honey.

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I know it was amazing.

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I mean like so many raw.

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I did Sebastian box color once.

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Um, excuse me.

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I know that's fucking cool.

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I know.

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I mean as that yes.

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It's cool, but you know, it was

like a big rock and roll salon.

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So I worked there for the first couple

of years I was there and then, , some

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people I worked with opened another one

called Graceland and it was like a half.

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Layer tattoo, shop half hair salon.

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It was amazing.

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So I got to kind of do

it all when I was there.

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Is that when you started getting

tattooed gems that got a several tattoos.

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I have a few.

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I know people are always

like, how many do you have it?

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I'm like it's percentage,

body coverage at this point.

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I think there's no.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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, no, I started getting tattooed

when I was in college because

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I worked at a tattoo shop.

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And the town I went to.

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Cool.

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Hey mate.

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I've always made my parents really angry.

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So.

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Maybe it's it's switched over.

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Thank God I turned out.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Cause you know, I was going to

ruin my life with these tattoos.

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It's so, and hair school.

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Uh, correct.

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So there's so many.

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Negative connotations with hairdressers.

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That were idiots and party animals,

and then people with tattoos.

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And it's like, I'm not as tattooed

as you, but I have quite a few.

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Yeah.

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There was a period of time to where my

parents were like, what the fuck are you?

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Okay.

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And you're like, are you.

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Are you okay?

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These are your problems actually.

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This is actually all about you.

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Yeah.

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But I think you and I are agreed

examples of like, we're not idiots.

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We're like successful entrepreneurial

women who happened to be here,

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dressers who have tattoos.

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Right.

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And so it's really rewarding to me to

kind of, uh, Break some of those molds,

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cause they're so stupid for sure.

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I mean, my parents were, my dad was

really, you know, my parents are very

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traditional in the way they do things.

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And I wouldn't say that either one of

them love their job, but it was a steady

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job that they got paid really well.

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They got pensions with like,

my mom worked for the state.

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My dad worked for the federal government.

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So.

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They knew they'd be set up.

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And so they wanted that for me too.

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Yeah.

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And they went to people who

charged $25 for a haircut.

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And so they were really worried.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, that's not going to be me.

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Yeah.

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That's not going to be me.

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I promise you.

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That's not going to be me.

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And look at me now.

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I love that.

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My, this is so funny.

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, I had a conversation with my

mom once, so I was, I went to

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Amsterdam for a long weekend.

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It's a good emotional support, drip.

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And I had been able to get a lunch

reservation at our peg, which is a

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three Michelin star restaurant in Paris.

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, and I have a client who's a fortune 500

CEO and, and he's a good friend to you.

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, and he was splitting his time

between Atlanta and London and he was

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going to be in London at the time.

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And I was cutting his hair the

week or two before the trip.

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And I was like, oh my God, I was able

to get this reservation at our patch.

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I'm gonna go to Paris for the day.

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Dah.

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And he's like, Ooh, I'll be in London.

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Like perhaps I could join you for lunch.

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And I was like, oh, every reservation

for one is a reservation for two.

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That's right.

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Unless they're putting

you at the bar, I guess.

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And I was like, let me call,

but I'm sure it's no problem.

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So I call my mom and I'm like, Hey,

I'm getting on a train to go to Paris,

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to have lunch at a three Michelin star

restaurant with a fortune 500 CEO.

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And she's like, Erica,

I was always so worried.

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You were going to be poor.

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I'm like mom.

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It's okay.

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Look.

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Oh, my.

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That was just such a lovely day.

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And I.

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I'm a tattooed hairdresser,

having lunch with.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, that shouldn't be, but

this guy is like a great friend.

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Um, and that's just like, hairdressing

is the vehicle for relationships.

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Oh my.

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Contributions like that.

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Absolutely.

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So I think it's important to share

stories so that people know that if

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your kid wants to get into something

creative, It's not the kiss of death.

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I think it depends on the kid too.

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You know what I mean?

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Your actual drive and your passions

and why you're making these choices,

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but I'm super proud of what I've done.

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I'm sure you feel the same way.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not done, correct.

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Like, I'm going to start it.

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You guys I'm in my forties and this time

of my life, I've never been so confident.

438

:

Yes.

439

:

I've never felt so powerful.

440

:

I have never been so ready

to just like welcome at all.

441

:

And so I don't even think, you know,

I'm like, I am just getting started.

442

:

I love that.

443

:

And if this is my beginning, then

fuck, it's going to be great.

444

:

You know, I do know.

445

:

Uh, I'll also say Jen, you're like I'm

in my forties, but you wouldn't know

446

:

because Jen also sees Mandy, oh my God.

447

:

Mandy.

448

:

And, , Dr.

449

:

Susan has stopped for my Botox

and Kelly painter down the

450

:

street who has an amazing spa.

451

:

I mean, I have like a skin care team

that is keeping me looking cute.

452

:

Yes.

453

:

It's super important.

454

:

And to not gatekeep, like.

455

:

I'm like, I will never

lie about what I've done.

456

:

Like.

457

:

I'm not going to lie about.

458

:

I don't want to set any false

pretenses, but I also am not trying

459

:

to age faster than I have to.

460

:

No, let's keep it cute.

461

:

Yeah, it feels good to look good at times.

462

:

And that's also, we know that

because we make people feel that way.

463

:

We stare in a mirror all

day long, a hundred percent.

464

:

And I am the first one to

admit that that was hard to do.

465

:

Yeah.

466

:

You know, like sometimes our clients sit

down, I'm sure you've experienced this.

467

:

And they're just like, oh, I

can't even look at myself today.

468

:

And you're like, bitch, me too.

469

:

All day.

470

:

All day.

471

:

For an hour.

472

:

So my Botox helps me get through

the day a hundred percent where

473

:

I can be expressive enough.

474

:

But not have too many lines

on my face and that's just me.

475

:

Well, the key for me is like,

I don't want static lines.

476

:

I don't want resting

face with crazy lines.

477

:

Oh, yeah.

478

:

That's when I'm like, all right, let's

do a little softened me up for sure.

479

:

Sure.

480

:

And I don't know if you have this,

but I have a surprising amount of

481

:

male clients who are getting Brotox.

482

:

I'm like, I look, I

always look angry cause.

483

:

Without realizing what they think hard,

they scowl and they're 11 get pronounced.

484

:

And so I'm just, I think

everybody should get are driving.

485

:

Yeah.

486

:

And you're just like, for some

reason, a lot of the men I know

487

:

don't want to wear sunglasses.

488

:

And you're like, you're just squinting.

489

:

I mean, my husband's one of them.

490

:

He's like, okay with the sunglasses

now, but he loses them a lot.

491

:

So then he doesn't have them and I'm

like, you are just squinting and he's

492

:

got all these lines around his eyes.

493

:

I mean, he still looks

cute and distinguished.

494

:

He likes.

495

:

I don't like mine.

496

:

That's fine.

497

:

And that's fair.

498

:

That's fair.

499

:

Well, it meant to you.

500

:

It's like they get great hairs and

you're like, oh, how dapper and swabbing.

501

:

ULA silver Fox.

502

:

Not quite the same for us.

503

:

Well, we can change that narrative.

504

:

We can change it while getting rid of.

505

:

Yeah.

506

:

Exactly.

507

:

Exactly.

508

:

Well, listen, I'm just like you do you.

509

:

Yes.

510

:

And if that is not doing

any of the things amazing.

511

:

Yeah.

512

:

It's like, no, one's earning extra points

in my book for anything that they do.

513

:

I just want them to be authentic.

514

:

Yes.

515

:

I agree.

516

:

I had a client the other day who

listened to my Mandy episodes and

517

:

went for a consultation and she

was like, I realized I'm not ugly.

518

:

I'm just poor.

519

:

I was like, I didn't realize.

520

:

We're sending.

521

:

I'm like, yes, honey.

522

:

Yeah.

523

:

And maybe you want to

go on vacation instead?

524

:

Yeah.

525

:

Or maybe you're saving up to buy a house

or maybe, I mean, luckily we're in this

526

:

business and we can trade for things.

527

:

Yes.

528

:

So I barter.

529

:

As much as I can.

530

:

I would love to trade my

services for other services.

531

:

I get dog food.

532

:

I get facials.

533

:

I get massage.

534

:

I get, I mean, it's everything right?

535

:

I fully support that.

536

:

So, you know, Tara can do involved

then the man don't know that's right.

537

:

The man don't know.

538

:

I love that.

539

:

, so Jen, you, your primary

thing is owning creature.

540

:

, but you also have, uh,

dare I say, a side hustle.

541

:

You're a doula.

542

:

Yeah.

543

:

How the fuck did that?

544

:

Uh, well, I mean, I

have two kids on my own.

545

:

And when I was pregnant with my first

son, which was not expected, Ray and I had

546

:

just moved to New York, , he had gotten

into this pretty terrible accident where

547

:

he was hit by a truck, riding his bike.

548

:

He ended up in the ICU and I think we just

made a I'm so glad you didn't die, baby.

549

:

And so I didn't have, we

were in New York city.

550

:

We were in our mid twenties.

551

:

You're practically a teen

parent seems to say, 'cause

552

:

like nobody has kids that young.

553

:

We didn't have any friends with.

554

:

The kids, right.

555

:

Our families weren't there.

556

:

I just felt so alone and my

birth, , Ray was there, but I mean,

557

:

I had Julian, he just turned 15.

558

:

So doulas were like a thing that

was mentioned, but I had never

559

:

had any experience with that.

560

:

I had a midwife.

561

:

She was fantastic.

562

:

But I don't know.

563

:

I felt really lonely in that process.

564

:

And you kind of understand, like, this

is, we don't live with our tribe anymore.

565

:

Right.

566

:

And like women are so important or just

supportive people in your life that can

567

:

see you through something like that.

568

:

Like, Yeah, Ray couldn't show

up for me the way that someone

569

:

who had been through it could.

570

:

Right.

571

:

Absolutely.

572

:

He's just not possible for him.

573

:

Yeah.

574

:

It doesn't occur to men.

575

:

Like they don't know.

576

:

Yeah.

577

:

Like it just doesn't, they, their

bodies don't do the same thing.

578

:

He's in that place of like,

I just want you to be okay.

579

:

Yeah.

580

:

But I don't really know

what to do to make you okay.

581

:

And so I started going on a journey

of, of wanting to support other women

582

:

through their pregnancies and birth.

583

:

Um, after.

584

:

The birth of my first kid.

585

:

And then I had a doula

when, , I had my second son.

586

:

Okay.

587

:

And it was just a completely different

experience for me and my partner.

588

:

Right.

589

:

Like he was able to just be there.

590

:

And process it.

591

:

And I just want to do

that for other people.

592

:

And it's been very

rewarding and beautiful.

593

:

And this is something you've

been doing for awhile.

594

:

I have my oldest baby,

I think is, oh my God.

595

:

Courtney is going to kill me.

596

:

I don't remember.

597

:

Uh, 11.

598

:

No.

599

:

I'll interrupt the hesitation.

600

:

Yeah.

601

:

My oldest baby has over 10.

602

:

Perfect.

603

:

Around Ted.

604

:

I don't, I don't know.

605

:

It's been a long time or

a decade over a decade.

606

:

Okay.

607

:

So Jen, I'm not a kid person.

608

:

Uh, but for.

609

:

I wasn't either.

610

:

Oh, interesting.

611

:

Yeah.

612

:

, for people who don't know what is the main

difference between a midwife and a doula?

613

:

So a doula doesn't do anything.

614

:

Medical.

615

:

Okay.

616

:

Right.

617

:

Like, I'm not checking a survey

checks, no blood pressure, no

618

:

telling you what you need to do.

619

:

Like when you need to go to the

hospital, we're just there to support.

620

:

The person who's giving birth.

621

:

Right.

622

:

Okay.

623

:

So rubbing their back words of

affirmation, like everybody's different

624

:

music, essential oils, massage, like just,

there's so many different things that you

625

:

do, but you're purely a support person.

626

:

Okay.

627

:

And an advocate, right.

628

:

If you end up going to a hospital

and there's questions, like I'm the

629

:

person that can kind of help walk

through what some of those procedures

630

:

look like and why they're being done.

631

:

And maybe why the doctor

says you need XYZ, you know?

632

:

Sure.

633

:

That's awesome.

634

:

Yeah.

635

:

, I have always felt a calling to do

the exact opposite and a death doula.

636

:

I love that.

637

:

Do you know any, , I

know a couple of people.

638

:

Yeah.

639

:

One night we lives in Alaska now

and a doula friend of mine who

640

:

is, , has like talked to me about

doing some of that stuff too.

641

:

Well, we spend all this time supporting,

like bringing life into the world.

642

:

Right.

643

:

And supporting people through

that process and like end of life.

644

:

It's we're all, it's all it's going

to happen to all of us, right?

645

:

Correct.

646

:

So many, so many unknowns when it

comes to that, especially for the

647

:

people who are supporting that person.

648

:

I do think that once you get to

that, like end of life stage, most

649

:

people are probably like, Comfortable

or they're easing into their own

650

:

process of knowing what's happening.

651

:

But yeah, their loved ones who are there.

652

:

They might know what what's happening.

653

:

What's normal, what's not normal.

654

:

And so the death doula thing is amazing.

655

:

I'm super into it.

656

:

And it's something that I've always

thought like, oh, that'll be like a

657

:

later act in my life type of thing.

658

:

But listening to you, being able

to do both of these at the same

659

:

time, I'm like maybe I shouldn't.

660

:

Maybe I should look into this

earlier than I would have thought.

661

:

I mean, I'm not a full

time doula by any means.

662

:

, the total number I birth.

663

:

So I've done a working doula.

664

:

We'll do those in like two months, right.

665

:

Yeah.

666

:

Great.

667

:

It can be selected.

668

:

Just like pop in.

669

:

Yeah.

670

:

And for me, I've only ever

been a doula for people that I

671

:

already have a relationship with.

672

:

Like I have never had a random client.

673

:

Okay.

674

:

And so there is this aspect that

I love that maybe a lot of doulas

675

:

don't get to experience of like

seeing these babies grow up.

676

:

Knowing them.

677

:

A lot of them are my clients.

678

:

Hannah, who works for me.

679

:

I.

680

:

Birth, both her babies with her.

681

:

Wow.

682

:

I know, amazing at home.

683

:

I mean, so I just have this ability

to just like, be with people yeah.

684

:

And see them.

685

:

I'm such a nurturer.

686

:

I love and I love doing that.

687

:

And I just love to make people feel good.

688

:

And I think that's why I do here.

689

:

Right?

690

:

Because we can like touch a lot of

people and, and help them to feel good.

691

:

And, you know, I'm sure you've heard,

, the expression that one or others.

692

:

An expression, but you know, people say

for hairdressers, you don't know what

693

:

happens in your client's private lives.

694

:

We know some of those stuff, but

like, For some of our guests, we may

695

:

be the only person laying a finger on

them in between the 6, 8, 12, however

696

:

many weeks between their employment.

697

:

Right equipments.

698

:

And it's so important that that

is like you said, a nurturing,

699

:

warm, like we provide that,

that human contact and touch.

700

:

Because they may not get it anywhere else.

701

:

Right.

702

:

And that's such a honor and privilege.

703

:

And, uh, I think that is something that

like for upcoming hairdressers, you

704

:

gotta really realize how big of a deal

that is cause your clients feel it.

705

:

Yeah.

706

:

, You've got to be able to

get in it with people.

707

:

Yeah.

708

:

Right.

709

:

And I, so when I moved back here

from New York, I actually taught

710

:

at the Aveda Institute really.

711

:

Because I had a new baby and my husband

was going freelance as a photographer.

712

:

And I was like, I would love a salary job.

713

:

One of my friends was the

director there at the time.

714

:

So I was an educator there and then

I was the lead educator there for the

715

:

last year that I was there, but okay.

716

:

I think Aveda is really good on that.

717

:

You've heard the day maker thing.

718

:

No.

719

:

Yeah.

720

:

Right.

721

:

Oh, yeah.

722

:

And as cheesy as it sounds,

it is really amazing.

723

:

The impact that you can have on

somebody and be a day maker for them.

724

:

Right.

725

:

And like, maybe there's

no one else in their life.

726

:

That can do that.

727

:

Yeah.

728

:

And I've had, I've had people in

my career that have reached out

729

:

to me afterwards and shared, you

know, I wasn't having a great day.

730

:

I was getting my hair.

731

:

I had one client that was like,

I was getting my hair done and

732

:

I was going to go in my life.

733

:

And talking to you helped

me gain some perspective.

734

:

And you know, I'm not saying that I'm

not like tooting my own horn there,

735

:

but that's a fucking huge deal.

736

:

That's a huge deal, right?

737

:

To be able to help somebody

process through trauma or

738

:

just something a hard day.

739

:

You.

740

:

You know, or a hard year

or a hard fucking life.

741

:

Yeah, right.

742

:

And we can really change it.

743

:

I mean, all you have to do

is like care for someone.

744

:

Sometimes that's all they need

is to feel genuinely cared for.

745

:

And scene.

746

:

Absolutely.

747

:

And I always say to you, it's like,

I'm a, I'm a huge advocate for therapy.

748

:

, I love like, yeah, we

are therapists who are.

749

:

Um, and I call it like trickle-down

therapy, but I have clients who leave

750

:

and it's like, we have navigated big

life issues throughout their appointment.

751

:

And they're like, man, this is

so much more than a hair service.

752

:

And I'm like, yeah, that's correct.

753

:

Yeah.

754

:

And sometimes it's not, sometimes people

come in and they work on their laptop.

755

:

Yes.

756

:

And they're like taking a

meeting and that's fine too.

757

:

Yeah.

758

:

That was fine too.

759

:

But I'd say the majority of my

clients and my chair, we are

760

:

experienced with one another.

761

:

Yeah.

762

:

The connection is just it's irreplaceable

and it's, you know, How long have

763

:

you been working behind the chair?

764

:

Since 2005.

765

:

Okay.

766

:

So.

767

:

Almost 20 years.

768

:

Holy shit.

769

:

Yeah.

770

:

, you know, we've watched people like

you're saying with the doula stuff,

771

:

it's like, it's, it's such a pleasure.

772

:

I've watched people, you

know, struggle with dating.

773

:

Meet their husband, get married, have a

baby change jobs, buy a house and like

774

:

watching people's life and career arcs.

775

:

In six week increments.

776

:

Yeah.

777

:

Is so special.

778

:

Yeah.

779

:

And so fucking cool.

780

:

Just like the honor of my life.

781

:

Totally.

782

:

And I think that there are a few other

professions that are that rewarding and

783

:

where you can make good money and people

fight over us in divorces sometimes.

784

:

Uh, Have you ever had.

785

:

Yeah.

786

:

But like who wins you in the divorce?

787

:

I have a yes.

788

:

Usually I'll pick, uh, well, yeah, if

somebody cheated on somebody or there's

789

:

some like obvious, horrible thing

happened, I'm like, I'm sorry, but yeah.

790

:

Yeah.

791

:

Um, but other times, like I do have

divorced people and that I'm just like,

792

:

I'll never book you at the same time.

793

:

Yeah, I'll make sure that

there's no overlap here.

794

:

, but yeah, that is a,

that's a super big deal.

795

:

Yeah.

796

:

Who wins the hairdresser.

797

:

Yeah.

798

:

Yeah.

799

:

Who gets to in Jones.

800

:

It's like, , did you see in

the nineties that couple, that

801

:

embarrassing couple in divorce court,

arguing over their beanie baby.

802

:

On the floor.

803

:

Passing them back jokes on them.

804

:

They're still not worth anything.

805

:

But the prince has done.

806

:

Oh my God.

807

:

Oh my God.

808

:

It's so funny that hairdresser

was like, I don't want either one.

809

:

Yeah, exactly.

810

:

I'm not here.

811

:

Right?

812

:

None of that.

813

:

Yeah.

814

:

, do you ever have to fire clients?

815

:

Yeah.

816

:

Yeah.

817

:

It doesn't happen a lot and it doesn't

really happen much in my chair, but

818

:

being a salon owner, I have to step in.

819

:

, we're kind of a really, you know, You're

taught to not talk about religion and

820

:

not talk about politics, but that's

just not what we do in the space.

821

:

And sometimes people

have really gross energy.

822

:

Yes.

823

:

Especially during the pandemic we

were coming back, you know, there

824

:

were a couple people that were like,

I can't wear a mask for my haircut

825

:

and I'm like, I'm here all day.

826

:

Yeah.

827

:

Okay.

828

:

I don't want to hear it.

829

:

I don't want to hear it.

830

:

I really don't.

831

:

I'm telling you that this is a right.

832

:

That was a big time where we

had to uninvite some people.

833

:

Yup.

834

:

You know, or just P I

don't tolerate disrespect.

835

:

So don't tolerate, , clients,

micro-managing stylists, like you're

836

:

here to there to get your hair

done or their partners sometimes.

837

:

I don't know if you have that,

but like when partners come in and

838

:

they want to try to tell you what

to do to the other person, and

839

:

you're just like, are you okay?

840

:

Yeah.

841

:

Blink twice, you know?

842

:

Yeah.

843

:

, it doesn't happen often, but

it's usually for some shitty

844

:

disrespect or lack of boundary.

845

:

I mean, at the beauty school

girl, it was like wilds.

846

:

Some of the things that happened

there that we had to ask.

847

:

We be able to leave for.

848

:

It was like, Ooh, at the special

person that's going for a $12 haircut.

849

:

The concert hall.

850

:

And wanting to complain

about it afterwards.

851

:

You know, I'll tell you what?

852

:

I became an amazing hairstylist

when I was teaching there, because

853

:

I had to fix a lot of stuff.

854

:

Yeah, a lot of stuff.

855

:

I mean, that's, uh, I, I tell people

and this may resonate with you too.

856

:

, I have a lot of clients that are

like, I want to open my own business.

857

:

Like, tell me about your

experience at, at, at.

858

:

And I'm like my biggest, the biggest way

that I learned is my fucking things up.

859

:

Totally.

860

:

Getting a letter in the mail that I didn't

send in some fucking form for something.

861

:

And I'm like, Right.

862

:

I'll pay my fine.

863

:

And then I'll learn for next time.

864

:

You only miss that business

license renewal one time.

865

:

You only miss it once.

866

:

And then you're like, my God.

867

:

Insane $750 fine or something like that.

868

:

Yes.

869

:

And I've done that.

870

:

And the worst part is that I

thought I had done, like, I'm a,

871

:

you see my notebook in front of me.

872

:

You are.

873

:

Human beings.

874

:

But I feel like they make

it intentionally hard.

875

:

Like there's one final step.

876

:

That's on a completely different website.

877

:

Totally.

878

:

You don't get any emails.

879

:

You have to by osmosis.

880

:

Make it so hard.

881

:

Yeah.

882

:

Have you seen the new updated?

883

:

Website.

884

:

, yeah, I think it's still confusing.

885

:

It's still confusing,

but it's a little better.

886

:

It's a little better.

887

:

It's slightly better.

888

:

You don't have to mail in a check anymore.

889

:

So.

890

:

And wait, do you enjoy all

the credit card points?

891

:

I guess?

892

:

Being able to use Amex.

893

:

Yeah, I try to explain to people I'm

like you don't, if you feel, if you

894

:

have an entrepreneurial spark and

you feel called to make a business

895

:

out of something that you do do it.

896

:

Just fucking do it.

897

:

No one actually knows what they're doing.

898

:

You learn as you fuck up.

899

:

Right.

900

:

, and same thing with hair.

901

:

It's like, you learn like, oh, if I hold

a layer at this degree and drop it, it's

902

:

not going to land like the way I wanted.

903

:

Or if I put a pastel blue toner on

yellow hair, what's going to happen.

904

:

It's going to turn fucking green.

905

:

Yeah.

906

:

Right.

907

:

Hashtag color theory,

hashtag color theory.

908

:

It's amazing what people

don't know about that.

909

:

Oh my God.

910

:

So I spent a solid decade

ish of my career teaching for

911

:

manufacturers and stuff like that.

912

:

And color theory is something that.

913

:

you know, women can perceive such

a bigger scale of color than men.

914

:

So I've always had.

915

:

Just a good eye for color and color

theory has always just made sense

916

:

to me, but semi-recently my, , like

condo building, they repainted and

917

:

I'm just like, oh, Do you hate it?

918

:

And this neutral does not compliment

the tone in this accident.

919

:

What fucking idiot picked these.

920

:

And everyone's like, what

are you talking about?

921

:

Can't you see it.

922

:

See, and I'm just like,

you don't understand.

923

:

And I'm just like, you literally don't

understand, but it's like, it's a curse.

924

:

I know.

925

:

Through life, knowing color theory.

926

:

And no, we ain't got a

missed opportunity or.

927

:

The totally clashes.

928

:

I mean, it.

929

:

Rocks my world.

930

:

Or just knowing good hair and bad hair.

931

:

I mean, I've trained my children

that I'll get a tap on the shoulder

932

:

and they're like, mom, did you say.

933

:

Did you see over there?

934

:

And I'm like, E.

935

:

So I love that I'm

training them to have that.

936

:

I, yes.

937

:

Yeah.

938

:

I love when people like I'll have

guests who are like on vacations

939

:

and send me a picture of just

like, goddamn look, look at that.

940

:

There are those externships.

941

:

I know I'm terrible to watch a

movie with or a TV show to where

942

:

you're just like, what is that way?

943

:

Why is it so bad?

944

:

Yes.

945

:

What are those colors?

946

:

Yes, a hundred percent.

947

:

, did you watch, or do

you watch love is blind.

948

:

I only watched the first season.

949

:

Okay.

950

:

Cause I kind of felt like the

magic was gone for me after that.

951

:

That's fair.

952

:

I don't know how magical

the first season was to be.

953

:

Exactly.

954

:

Exactly.

955

:

There was a gal on this

most recent season.

956

:

And this I'm not a reality show person

I should state, but there's something

957

:

about this one that just gets me.

958

:

Um, but this chick, she's this cute

blonde girl, but she wore this like

959

:

aggressive, like quarterly orange blush,

and anytime she was on screen, all.

960

:

All I could do was just

like stare at her Blash.

961

:

I couldn't handle it.

962

:

You're like, who's letting her

show up like that literally.

963

:

And it's like, Tell her.

964

:

She has no friends.

965

:

That's exactly has no.

966

:

Yes, I.

967

:

And by the end of the season, you're

like, oh, she actually has no friends.

968

:

So then that tracks.

969

:

And that tracks.

970

:

Yeah, she's one of those girls

that's like, Hey, Hey girls.

971

:

And you're like, I love women.

972

:

I love women are amazing.

973

:

Women are you dumb?

974

:

I mean, I love all of

the women in my life.

975

:

Yeah, for sure.

976

:

Correct.

977

:

And that you need people around

you to be like, Hey, like, okay,

978

:

you remember when I'm sober, browse

became a thing I'm like dry, like.

979

:

I leaned a little too

hard in that momentarily.

980

:

And my best friend was

like, what the fuck?

981

:

What are you doing?

982

:

Hi browse.

983

:

And I was like, you know what?

984

:

I appreciate the call.

985

:

Maybe more robust than the yeah.

986

:

You're like you.

987

:

I have a yeah.

988

:

Yeah.

989

:

She's like they get easy.

990

:

Stop brushing them straight up, correct?

991

:

Yeah.

992

:

It'll curve is okay.

993

:

Phil.

994

:

Do you remember when it was like,

you just wanted to see the hairs

995

:

and like nothing in between?

996

:

Yes.

997

:

I know.

998

:

Well, I've never had that problem.

999

:

I over plucked in them in the nineties.

:

00:33:48,692 --> 00:33:50,762

And so she's living with us as far.

:

00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:52,382

Our sprout for the rest of her life.

:

00:33:52,592 --> 00:33:54,542

Are you microbladed I've done it before.

:

00:33:54,572 --> 00:33:55,052

Okay.

:

00:33:55,112 --> 00:33:56,012

Yeah, it doesn't really.

:

00:33:56,042 --> 00:33:56,672

Yeah.

:

00:33:57,032 --> 00:33:58,322

I feel like my skin is too oily.

:

00:33:58,322 --> 00:34:00,872

It kind of falls out and then I

have a really hard time laying

:

00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:02,042

on a table for that long.

:

00:34:02,492 --> 00:34:03,902

Being carved on wait, but.

:

00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:05,342

You're covered in tattoos.

:

00:34:06,422 --> 00:34:07,682

One hour increments, different.

:

00:34:07,682 --> 00:34:09,482

Cause you can like text and

fuck around on your phone.

:

00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:09,992

Usually.

:

00:34:10,022 --> 00:34:10,592

That's true.

:

00:34:10,862 --> 00:34:11,431

Hi stuff.

:

00:34:11,431 --> 00:34:13,172

You're just like, and you

can see what's going on.

:

00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:15,062

There's something about like

someone carving something into

:

00:34:15,062 --> 00:34:16,232

your face and you can't really see.

:

00:34:16,232 --> 00:34:18,092

That's not very comfortable for me.

:

00:34:18,152 --> 00:34:18,632

That's fair.

:

00:34:19,322 --> 00:34:21,931

So I'm just going to sit that one

out and every time have you seen

:

00:34:21,931 --> 00:34:24,692

those videos on Instagram where

they make it look like it's wild?

:

00:34:24,962 --> 00:34:27,842

Oh Frick, the person I would die.

:

00:34:28,052 --> 00:34:28,592

I'm leaving.

:

00:34:29,492 --> 00:34:30,992

I might punch the person.

:

00:34:30,992 --> 00:34:33,601

I'm like, cause you can tell sometimes

that they are not prepared for that.

:

00:34:33,601 --> 00:34:35,462

And they're just like,

oh, like, oh my God.

:

00:34:36,512 --> 00:34:41,101

But the girls who were like,

hi, I ain't going to lie.

:

00:34:41,252 --> 00:34:42,572

Is it going to chill out?

:

00:34:42,601 --> 00:34:44,012

You're like, no, it's not.

:

00:34:44,072 --> 00:34:45,181

It's not going to chill out.

:

00:34:45,331 --> 00:34:46,862

They're basically touching brows.

:

00:34:46,982 --> 00:34:47,312

Yeah.

:

00:34:47,822 --> 00:34:50,132

And they're touching and then they

wipe it off and you're like, oh,

:

00:34:51,782 --> 00:34:52,532

Yeah, I would.

:

00:34:53,402 --> 00:34:55,172

I'm a little bit of a

control freak like that.

:

00:34:55,172 --> 00:34:57,992

I think I would not be a

good recipient of that prank.

:

00:34:58,202 --> 00:35:00,662

And I love a break, but

like, oh, Half of my face.

:

00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:04,322

No, never with my face, unless

Mandy does something to us.

:

00:35:04,412 --> 00:35:04,862

Yeah.

:

00:35:05,162 --> 00:35:06,572

But Mandy wouldn't because she had.

:

00:35:07,382 --> 00:35:10,052

She would never, but sometimes the things

that happened to your face after those

:

00:35:10,052 --> 00:35:12,782

amazing treatments, Can be a little wild.

:

00:35:12,782 --> 00:35:13,832

Yeah, that's true.

:

00:35:14,102 --> 00:35:15,962

If you haven't listened to

that episode, go listen to it.

:

00:35:16,052 --> 00:35:16,382

Okay.

:

00:35:16,502 --> 00:35:16,592

Go.

:

00:35:17,042 --> 00:35:17,972

She tells some stories.

:

00:35:18,002 --> 00:35:18,062

Do.

:

00:35:18,092 --> 00:35:20,692

You know what , I was talking

to a friend of mine who is not

:

00:35:20,692 --> 00:35:22,192

a skincare and makeup girly.

:

00:35:22,372 --> 00:35:26,332

, but she was like, I felt like I

learned a lot in those episodes,

:

00:35:26,362 --> 00:35:29,242

but I also felt really dumb because

I don't think I know like the bees.

:

00:35:29,542 --> 00:35:30,592

And I was like, you know what?

:

00:35:30,592 --> 00:35:34,162

There was just kind of an underlying

assumption that you would know something.

:

00:35:34,762 --> 00:35:37,372

So I'm actually, , we're scheduling

it right now, but Mandy's going

:

00:35:37,372 --> 00:35:39,622

to come back on and we're going

to do kind of like a one care.

:

00:35:39,682 --> 00:35:40,402

1 0 1.

:

00:35:41,242 --> 00:35:44,062

What are the steps of just

like a basic skincare routine?

:

00:35:44,062 --> 00:35:46,762

Like what should you be doing

before you even enter the world

:

00:35:46,762 --> 00:35:48,382

of all of these lasers and peels?

:

00:35:48,532 --> 00:35:51,022

Like, what's just your, what

should your home routine be?

:

00:35:51,112 --> 00:35:51,922

Just look like.

:

00:35:52,522 --> 00:35:53,392

And she's amazing, right?

:

00:35:53,422 --> 00:35:56,122

She's just like a nerd when

it comes to that stuff.

:

00:35:56,572 --> 00:35:57,202

Same.

:

00:35:57,232 --> 00:35:57,352

Yeah.

:

00:35:57,682 --> 00:36:02,032

Like, if you can talk to me about what

you do for hours, I fucking love it.

:

00:36:02,962 --> 00:36:04,252

All about enthusiasm.

:

00:36:04,372 --> 00:36:06,052

Um, like she can go on and on.

:

00:36:06,082 --> 00:36:06,442

I know.

:

00:36:07,072 --> 00:36:07,402

Love it.

:

00:36:07,762 --> 00:36:09,322

I wish I had a VJ story for you though.

:

00:36:09,322 --> 00:36:10,372

I'm feeling inadequate.

:

00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:11,392

Yeah, that's true.

:

00:36:11,482 --> 00:36:12,892

She had so many good.

:

00:36:13,132 --> 00:36:14,602

That was out of control.

:

00:36:14,842 --> 00:36:16,792

I had like seen her only professionally.

:

00:36:16,912 --> 00:36:18,292

Did you just say Carmen Electra?

:

00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:19,852

Yeah.

:

00:36:21,652 --> 00:36:22,462

Please go listen.

:

00:36:22,882 --> 00:36:26,062

Well, and of course I immediately

Googled her and I was like, I fucking

:

00:36:26,122 --> 00:36:28,462

remember being in middle school.

:

00:36:28,552 --> 00:36:31,132

And saying, I know I'm

seeing her crazy ass.

:

00:36:31,462 --> 00:36:32,062

I know.

:

00:36:32,662 --> 00:36:33,712

I looked her up too.

:

00:36:34,012 --> 00:36:34,462

Yeah.

:

00:36:34,642 --> 00:36:35,122

Immediately.

:

00:36:35,572 --> 00:36:37,942

Immediate immediate, immediate, so cool.

:

00:36:37,972 --> 00:36:38,602

So crazy.

:

00:36:38,752 --> 00:36:39,412

This is what we do.

:

00:36:39,412 --> 00:36:39,622

Right.

:

00:36:39,622 --> 00:36:41,302

We learn things about people all the time.

:

00:36:41,332 --> 00:36:41,752

Yeah.

:

00:36:41,932 --> 00:36:43,372

Uh, and it's lovely.

:

00:36:43,662 --> 00:36:46,062

, and I also think something, bringing

it back to like the art of the

:

00:36:46,062 --> 00:36:47,352

conversation for hairdressers.

:

00:36:47,652 --> 00:36:51,342

Knowing what aspects of

your personality to play up?

:

00:36:51,372 --> 00:36:55,392

What aspects to play down and how

to kind of, , carve out different

:

00:36:55,392 --> 00:37:00,012

portions of yourself, depending on the

recipient or the audience of any given

:

00:37:00,012 --> 00:37:01,872

appointment or conversation or whatever.

:

00:37:02,202 --> 00:37:05,622

That's not something that's easy

to teach and cosmetologists now.

:

00:37:06,042 --> 00:37:08,352

But it's you either got it or you don't.

:

00:37:08,442 --> 00:37:09,402

Yeah.

:

00:37:09,492 --> 00:37:12,072

And it's, and then sometimes

it's a conversation of like,

:

00:37:12,072 --> 00:37:13,302

just know when to be quiet.

:

00:37:13,362 --> 00:37:15,702

If you don't have the

ability to like shift.

:

00:37:16,302 --> 00:37:18,372

, because we're we're actors like that.

:

00:37:18,372 --> 00:37:18,732

Right.

:

00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:21,312

And I think you and I are in a

place in our career where we're not

:

00:37:21,312 --> 00:37:23,142

really getting a ton of new clients.

:

00:37:23,602 --> 00:37:27,952

, so we can just kind of be authentic

with, with who we've got and we

:

00:37:27,952 --> 00:37:31,192

kinda know, so I don't really have

to adjust myself too much anymore.

:

00:37:31,222 --> 00:37:31,642

Yeah.

:

00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,402

I'd say maybe I have like 3%.

:

00:37:34,942 --> 00:37:37,312

Where I got to have a little

adjustment and it's mostly

:

00:37:37,312 --> 00:37:38,602

me just shutting the fuck up.

:

00:37:38,692 --> 00:37:38,962

Yeah.

:

00:37:40,162 --> 00:37:41,782

For any relationship in your life?

:

00:37:42,112 --> 00:37:43,162

When to shut the fuck up.

:

00:37:43,252 --> 00:37:43,612

Yeah.

:

00:37:43,822 --> 00:37:46,282

One of the most important

really than a human being.

:

00:37:46,312 --> 00:37:47,092

Yeah, totally.

:

00:37:47,212 --> 00:37:49,402

And I think my clients know me

well enough now that they can

:

00:37:49,402 --> 00:37:50,872

just be like, I'm having a day.

:

00:37:51,112 --> 00:37:51,772

Absolutely.

:

00:37:51,922 --> 00:37:57,112

I just can't today or, or they just want

to sit and cry or, you know, I've had

:

00:37:57,112 --> 00:38:00,142

people message me and just say like,

oh, am I double booked with you today?

:

00:38:00,142 --> 00:38:00,652

And I'm like, yeah.

:

00:38:00,652 --> 00:38:02,392

And they're like, I just

think I need my own time.

:

00:38:02,392 --> 00:38:03,592

And so we work it out right.

:

00:38:03,652 --> 00:38:05,602

But most of the time.

:

00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:07,342

Yeah, I can just show up and be me.

:

00:38:07,582 --> 00:38:08,362

Which is great.

:

00:38:08,752 --> 00:38:13,432

And I think too, one of the rewards of

seeing the same people for years and

:

00:38:13,432 --> 00:38:16,762

years is without them having to send

that text, you can pick up on their

:

00:38:16,762 --> 00:38:18,082

energy as soon as they walk in the door.

:

00:38:18,832 --> 00:38:20,572

I knew exactly what version of you.

:

00:38:20,572 --> 00:38:21,562

They need that day.

:

00:38:22,042 --> 00:38:23,782

And you edit as needed.

:

00:38:24,322 --> 00:38:28,852

And I definitely have taken that skill

from the salon and applied it into my

:

00:38:28,852 --> 00:38:32,902

real life and well, and actually the

podcast episode I recorded last week,

:

00:38:32,932 --> 00:38:34,732

it was with two Arie Butler who was.

:

00:38:35,062 --> 00:38:37,852

Congressman John Lewis has

longest serving staffers.

:

00:38:37,942 --> 00:38:38,602

Wow.

:

00:38:38,692 --> 00:38:41,512

22 years and I sat down,

she sat exactly where you're

:

00:38:41,512 --> 00:38:42,712

sitting in the back about table.

:

00:38:43,162 --> 00:38:46,672

I quickly realized this is an episode

where I shut the fuck up and just left.

:

00:38:47,182 --> 00:38:48,022

So eloquent.

:

00:38:48,052 --> 00:38:50,902

So well-spoken has so much

knowledge and I was like, this is

:

00:38:50,902 --> 00:38:52,432

going to be the easiest episode.

:

00:38:52,642 --> 00:38:55,402

To edit ever, because I talked twice.

:

00:38:56,002 --> 00:38:58,852

It's just her being amazing

and she wants a podcast.

:

00:38:59,082 --> 00:39:01,422

, and so she's just like

well-spoken and she's like, yeah.

:

00:39:01,612 --> 00:39:04,762

, but I could see if I didn't have

that skillset from working behind

:

00:39:04,762 --> 00:39:07,822

the chair, trying to put too

much of myself into that episode.

:

00:39:08,212 --> 00:39:12,022

And I didn't need to be, I was just,

you know, a facilitator for her story.

:

00:39:12,292 --> 00:39:16,072

And, uh, I think that that's just like

something I'm super grateful that.

:

00:39:16,612 --> 00:39:17,902

Comes naturally now.

:

00:39:17,962 --> 00:39:18,172

Yeah.

:

00:39:18,172 --> 00:39:18,862

I love that.

:

00:39:19,012 --> 00:39:19,282

Yeah.

:

00:39:19,552 --> 00:39:22,972

And, you know, having, I mean, I

have 18 people who work for me now.

:

00:39:23,032 --> 00:39:23,272

Right.

:

00:39:23,302 --> 00:39:23,512

So.

:

00:39:23,602 --> 00:39:27,802

I, I think I have to adjust more with

them sometimes like everybody, the way

:

00:39:27,802 --> 00:39:31,912

that they receive feedback, because

I'm a very honest person, very honest.

:

00:39:32,242 --> 00:39:36,772

And blunt right to where I have

definitely hurt people's feelings.

:

00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:38,002

People who work for me.

:

00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:41,722

, because I have said something

too quick or too sharp.

:

00:39:42,142 --> 00:39:46,072

So I've learned to adjust myself in

that way, probably more so than with my

:

00:39:46,072 --> 00:39:49,942

clients now, because they just kind of are

steady flow of people that I'm used to.

:

00:39:50,302 --> 00:39:51,232

But every time.

:

00:39:51,502 --> 00:39:54,172

I'm talking to someone who

works for me now, it's kind of

:

00:39:54,172 --> 00:39:56,722

like I've learned to receive.

:

00:39:57,742 --> 00:40:01,192

And just be okay with not giving responses

right away, which is really hard for me.

:

00:40:01,492 --> 00:40:03,262

Cause I want to fix shit immediately.

:

00:40:03,262 --> 00:40:03,622

Right.

:

00:40:03,622 --> 00:40:05,302

So being able to like receive.

:

00:40:05,692 --> 00:40:06,982

And then just pause.

:

00:40:07,702 --> 00:40:08,602

And then follow up.

:

00:40:09,382 --> 00:40:11,362

It's a much better place to sit in.

:

00:40:11,392 --> 00:40:12,892

That's how I'm evolving.

:

00:40:13,282 --> 00:40:15,322

Learning to be a good boss.

:

00:40:15,352 --> 00:40:17,002

Like it's so easy as an employee.

:

00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:18,592

I wouldn't do things that way.

:

00:40:18,652 --> 00:40:18,862

Right.

:

00:40:18,862 --> 00:40:22,012

And then once you get into the other

side of things, it's, you know,

:

00:40:22,012 --> 00:40:23,212

I've definitely had some bad bosses.

:

00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:23,752

Don't get me wrong.

:

00:40:24,202 --> 00:40:29,362

But I I've found some empathy towards

other employers in the past because it's,

:

00:40:29,392 --> 00:40:32,692

it's difficult to be a good boss because

every employee needs a different version.

:

00:40:32,752 --> 00:40:33,382

Absolutely.

:

00:40:33,652 --> 00:40:34,072

Absolutely.

:

00:40:34,222 --> 00:40:35,392

But I'm like, you I'm.

:

00:40:35,782 --> 00:40:39,622

And there's never malice or negativity

in any of my intent, but sometimes

:

00:40:39,622 --> 00:40:41,182

I can just quickly be like, no, yes.

:

00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:43,642

I'm just a super decisive,

efficient person.

:

00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:43,732

And.

:

00:40:43,852 --> 00:40:44,782

I don't have to fuck around.

:

00:40:45,082 --> 00:40:47,542

But some people need a

little bit more softness.

:

00:40:48,022 --> 00:40:50,302

And if you don't meet them

without they shut down.

:

00:40:50,662 --> 00:40:51,502

No one's up.

:

00:40:52,792 --> 00:40:53,152

Yeah.

:

00:40:53,692 --> 00:40:57,232

Most people need a little more

softness, which is what I'm learning.

:

00:40:57,232 --> 00:40:59,032

Unless they've worked for me for 10 years.

:

00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:03,292

It's literally not personal and

like, and I tell people when I first

:

00:41:03,292 --> 00:41:06,402

hire somebody, I always ask, , how

do you like to receive feedback?

:

00:41:06,432 --> 00:41:06,702

Totally.

:

00:41:06,762 --> 00:41:08,352

Um, positive or negative.

:

00:41:08,542 --> 00:41:10,762

, and a lot of people will say like, oh,

I love feedback in the moment, dah.

:

00:41:11,212 --> 00:41:11,902

Incorrect.

:

00:41:11,932 --> 00:41:12,592

They don't.

:

00:41:12,622 --> 00:41:14,362

They really, really don't.

:

00:41:14,422 --> 00:41:14,812

Yeah.

:

00:41:15,262 --> 00:41:16,822

We don't totally.

:

00:41:16,822 --> 00:41:19,492

And so you gotta, you gotta

figure out how to navigate that.

:

00:41:19,582 --> 00:41:20,302

Absolutely.

:

00:41:20,422 --> 00:41:24,232

I always tell people, , if anything, I

can err on the side of being too Curt.

:

00:41:24,262 --> 00:41:26,782

And I know that about myself,

but I want you to know that if

:

00:41:26,782 --> 00:41:30,412

it's about a work topic, it's

literally never personal, right.

:

00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,562

I hope we both share the objective

that we want to just resolve an

:

00:41:33,562 --> 00:41:35,152

issue and keep it fucking moving.

:

00:41:35,482 --> 00:41:37,762

And yeah, we come with a disclaimer.

:

00:41:38,152 --> 00:41:38,992

And that is it.

:

00:41:39,022 --> 00:41:41,932

Yeah, but I think we wouldn't

be successful if we didn't.

:

00:41:42,262 --> 00:41:44,242

Have that kind of decisive.

:

00:41:44,512 --> 00:41:47,002

And self-awareness and

all of these things.

:

00:41:47,002 --> 00:41:47,422

Right.

:

00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:48,322

And nobody's perfect.

:

00:41:48,322 --> 00:41:49,192

We're not robots.

:

00:41:49,192 --> 00:41:50,242

Nobody's perfect.

:

00:41:50,332 --> 00:41:52,702

And we're all learning all the time.

:

00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:53,752

Right.

:

00:41:53,752 --> 00:41:58,132

And so, well, yeah, I mean,

I'm learning all the time.

:

00:41:58,702 --> 00:41:59,002

Yeah.

:

00:41:59,302 --> 00:42:00,502

Being a business owner.

:

00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:05,032

And employing people of

all different everything.

:

00:42:05,062 --> 00:42:05,632

Yeah.

:

00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:11,512

Is just, I mean, it is a wild

fucking ride and it's so amazing.

:

00:42:11,602 --> 00:42:11,932

Yeah.

:

00:42:12,022 --> 00:42:12,982

And it's been hard.

:

00:42:13,312 --> 00:42:13,852

Absolutely.

:

00:42:13,882 --> 00:42:14,062

And there.

:

00:42:14,062 --> 00:42:15,322

There've been tears on my end.

:

00:42:15,322 --> 00:42:17,722

And there have been times where I've

like called my consultant and been

:

00:42:17,722 --> 00:42:22,132

like, How do I burn it down without

anyone knowing I did it, you know?

:

00:42:22,342 --> 00:42:23,932

Totally didn't do that.

:

00:42:23,932 --> 00:42:25,162

Not going to do that.

:

00:42:25,712 --> 00:42:28,412

, but it's, it's been rewarding for sure.

:

00:42:28,532 --> 00:42:29,162

Yeah.

:

00:42:29,192 --> 00:42:30,122

Will you learn.

:

00:42:30,296 --> 00:42:35,726

New boundaries of yourself and

then these deep Wells of power

:

00:42:35,726 --> 00:42:38,606

that you don't know you have until

you're forced to tap into them.

:

00:42:38,636 --> 00:42:38,876

Yeah.

:

00:42:39,116 --> 00:42:40,556

And that's so rewarding.

:

00:42:40,796 --> 00:42:44,306

And I always say no matter, you know,

I don't know if this business will be

:

00:42:44,306 --> 00:42:47,696

here in 10 years, but what I know is

that the 10 years that I've been here,

:

00:42:47,906 --> 00:42:49,856

I've learned so much about myself.

:

00:42:50,186 --> 00:42:54,326

And who I am and what I want out of life,

that it will never be a failure ever.

:

00:42:54,596 --> 00:42:54,866

, and I.

:

00:42:55,826 --> 00:42:58,736

People I'm sure for you all the

time, clients are like thinking

:

00:42:58,736 --> 00:42:59,996

about quitting a corporate gig.

:

00:43:00,116 --> 00:43:01,046

Starting their own thing.

:

00:43:01,166 --> 00:43:01,256

Right.

:

00:43:01,676 --> 00:43:03,326

There's no such thing as failing.

:

00:43:03,866 --> 00:43:05,606

If you just try totally.

:

00:43:05,786 --> 00:43:06,356

I ended up.

:

00:43:07,016 --> 00:43:08,846

Navigating towards a

different path than you.

:

00:43:08,996 --> 00:43:09,356

Totally.

:

00:43:09,806 --> 00:43:10,586

Anticipated.

:

00:43:10,826 --> 00:43:14,306

You're going to learn so much and

the journey is absolutely the reward.

:

00:43:14,366 --> 00:43:15,056

Totally.

:

00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:18,056

And I'm just really lucky that I get

to walk through this with my husband.

:

00:43:18,056 --> 00:43:21,926

Cause he's, you know, I don't have

a business partner in the sense of

:

00:43:21,926 --> 00:43:25,466

like another hairstylist that owns

a company with me that I can bounce

:

00:43:25,466 --> 00:43:26,666

ideas off of things like that.

:

00:43:26,666 --> 00:43:29,246

I don't know if that

would work for me anyways.

:

00:43:29,456 --> 00:43:30,056

I don't think.

:

00:43:30,776 --> 00:43:31,436

I shook my head.

:

00:43:31,556 --> 00:43:32,006

Yeah.

:

00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:35,756

I don't think that it would,

but because I have my husband.

:

00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:37,616

He's that person for me.

:

00:43:37,646 --> 00:43:39,716

And he can be really honest with me.

:

00:43:39,716 --> 00:43:42,686

You know, I think one of the best things

he ever said to me when I was having a

:

00:43:42,686 --> 00:43:48,206

meltdown about, you know, something that I

did for everybody and, and what I received

:

00:43:48,206 --> 00:43:49,796

back was not what I was expecting.

:

00:43:49,796 --> 00:43:51,746

And he's just like, it's not their job.

:

00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:55,376

To know or care about all the things

you do behind the scenes for them.

:

00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:57,566

And if you're no.

:

00:43:57,686 --> 00:44:01,826

And if you're doing it so that they

know and give you accolades, you're

:

00:44:01,826 --> 00:44:03,176

doing it for the wrong reason, right?

:

00:44:03,416 --> 00:44:03,836

Ooh.

:

00:44:03,896 --> 00:44:04,316

I know.

:

00:44:04,316 --> 00:44:05,606

So smart Ray isms.

:

00:44:05,636 --> 00:44:06,806

I call him his racism.

:

00:44:07,016 --> 00:44:07,646

So smart.

:

00:44:07,736 --> 00:44:09,386

He could be at a coffee table, but I know.

:

00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:14,246

So just to be able to like show up

and do things cause you know, it's

:

00:44:14,246 --> 00:44:17,756

going to make people better and make

their experience better and give

:

00:44:17,756 --> 00:44:21,296

them the, the life that they want

and all their dreams can come true.

:

00:44:21,296 --> 00:44:22,466

Honestly, in this career.

:

00:44:22,826 --> 00:44:24,596

But without receiving a thank you.

:

00:44:24,626 --> 00:44:25,826

You've just gotta be okay with it.

:

00:44:25,976 --> 00:44:26,726

It's so true.

:

00:44:26,846 --> 00:44:27,746

You gotta be okay with that.

:

00:44:27,986 --> 00:44:28,856

There's a quote.

:

00:44:29,336 --> 00:44:32,636

I don't know who to give it credit, give

credit to, I think it was like Winston

:

00:44:32,636 --> 00:44:34,256

Churchill, but don't quote me on this.

:

00:44:34,796 --> 00:44:36,596

Um, but yeah.

:

00:44:36,726 --> 00:44:41,346

But it's something along the lines of,

uh, It's amazing how much you can get done

:

00:44:41,376 --> 00:44:43,206

if you don't care who gets credit for it.

:

00:44:43,506 --> 00:44:48,666

And that is so accurate and like,

Just planting seeds and letting people

:

00:44:48,666 --> 00:44:52,476

think that something might be there

IDF, or just like empowering people

:

00:44:52,476 --> 00:44:54,996

to do things on their own and sitting

back and knowing like, I don't need

:

00:44:54,996 --> 00:44:56,436

my signature on every little thing.

:

00:44:56,466 --> 00:44:56,886

Right.

:

00:44:56,916 --> 00:44:59,886

If the outcome is what I

want, I'm still succeeding.

:

00:45:00,006 --> 00:45:00,516

Totally.

:

00:45:00,576 --> 00:45:00,996

Yeah.

:

00:45:00,996 --> 00:45:01,626

Totally.

:

00:45:02,256 --> 00:45:04,296

That's kind of, yeah,

maybe it's a Ray ism.

:

00:45:04,596 --> 00:45:06,996

And sometimes it's a hard

place to sit in with that.

:

00:45:07,026 --> 00:45:07,536

Right.

:

00:45:08,076 --> 00:45:09,696

But if you're doing things.

:

00:45:09,696 --> 00:45:10,536

For the wrong reasons.

:

00:45:10,536 --> 00:45:12,486

It's never going to work

out and people feel it.

:

00:45:12,636 --> 00:45:13,596

People totally feel it.

:

00:45:13,596 --> 00:45:17,346

If We're not authentic, but I love a

thank you and a hug sometimes for sure.

:

00:45:17,496 --> 00:45:18,486

I'm just a human being.

:

00:45:18,846 --> 00:45:20,106

Because I'm just a human being.

:

00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:20,406

Yeah.

:

00:45:20,406 --> 00:45:20,886

I love it.

:

00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:21,126

Thank you.

:

00:45:21,156 --> 00:45:23,826

And a hug and I don't have a Ray

or a business partner, so there are

:

00:45:23,826 --> 00:45:27,816

lots of lonely times where it's like,

Um, who do I bounce this idea off?

:

00:45:27,876 --> 00:45:30,516

Uh, And if there is something.

:

00:45:31,026 --> 00:45:34,236

Every industry is unique, but there's

something particular to me about

:

00:45:34,236 --> 00:45:37,176

our industry where it's like, no,

you don't understand that wouldn't,

:

00:45:37,266 --> 00:45:38,256

that literally wouldn't work.

:

00:45:38,256 --> 00:45:41,376

And like, I appreciate your

feedback, but it just doesn't apply.

:

00:45:41,856 --> 00:45:42,996

In our field.

:

00:45:43,026 --> 00:45:44,946

Well, you can bounce things

off me whenever you want.

:

00:45:45,366 --> 00:45:48,126

Because I do think one of the

gross things that happens in

:

00:45:48,126 --> 00:45:49,986

our industry is like, we're put.

:

00:45:50,076 --> 00:45:53,226

Uh, and like a competitive

aspect against each other.

:

00:45:53,226 --> 00:45:55,806

And here, I'm here to

tell everybody right now.

:

00:45:56,196 --> 00:46:00,426

There are enough people in this

world for all of us to have

:

00:46:00,426 --> 00:46:01,776

all the clients that we want.

:

00:46:02,376 --> 00:46:05,646

And for all of us to do what

we do that no one else can do.

:

00:46:05,676 --> 00:46:06,066

Right?

:

00:46:06,066 --> 00:46:07,956

Like, we've talked about this where.

:

00:46:08,736 --> 00:46:09,876

I'm not the best hairstyle.

:

00:46:09,936 --> 00:46:13,566

I'm not saying that I can give you a

haircut that no one else in the city can

:

00:46:13,566 --> 00:46:17,706

give you, but I can give you an experience

with me and my chair that no one else

:

00:46:17,706 --> 00:46:19,836

can, because it's a total package, right?

:

00:46:19,836 --> 00:46:23,706

It's a total package of me in the space

with the other people around me, the music

:

00:46:23,706 --> 00:46:25,536

that we listened to, all of that stuff.

:

00:46:25,566 --> 00:46:25,926

Yeah.

:

00:46:26,136 --> 00:46:27,306

That's unique to me.

:

00:46:27,666 --> 00:46:29,646

But my skillset is not unique.

:

00:46:29,676 --> 00:46:30,096

Right.

:

00:46:30,156 --> 00:46:33,936

And it's like, there, there are a shit

ton of amazing hairstylist in this town.

:

00:46:34,176 --> 00:46:35,826

Amazing business owners.

:

00:46:36,486 --> 00:46:39,036

And we should bounce shit off

each other a little bit more.

:

00:46:39,096 --> 00:46:40,536

I absolutely agree with that.

:

00:46:40,536 --> 00:46:42,216

And I mentioned, let's start a club.

:

00:46:42,246 --> 00:46:42,576

Let's.

:

00:46:44,436 --> 00:46:45,306

Actually, I think we should.

:

00:46:45,516 --> 00:46:45,786

Okay.

:

00:46:46,326 --> 00:46:47,136

Or an emotional support.

:

00:46:47,196 --> 00:46:47,346

Okay.

:

00:46:47,376 --> 00:46:47,616

Great.

:

00:46:47,766 --> 00:46:51,996

Um, but I mentioned to a friend, um, I was

like going over the list of people I was

:

00:46:51,996 --> 00:46:53,226

going to have on the podcast this month.

:

00:46:53,406 --> 00:46:55,686

And I mentioned you and I'm like,

oh, she owns a salon, dah, dah, dah.

:

00:46:55,956 --> 00:46:57,726

And they were like, you're gonna

have another hairstyle it's on.

:

00:46:57,756 --> 00:46:59,616

And I was like, yeah, I'm

like, I'm super excited.

:

00:46:59,616 --> 00:47:00,816

And I talked about, you

know, all the things.

:

00:47:01,236 --> 00:47:01,596

I'm talking about.

:

00:47:01,626 --> 00:47:03,216

And she's like, isn't

that like a competition?

:

00:47:03,246 --> 00:47:04,446

And I was like, no.

:

00:47:04,476 --> 00:47:06,456

And I'm like, my only

competition is myself.

:

00:47:06,636 --> 00:47:07,956

And like last year's numbers.

:

00:47:07,986 --> 00:47:11,106

Like, I feel that that's all ego.

:

00:47:11,166 --> 00:47:11,646

You know what I mean?

:

00:47:12,066 --> 00:47:15,606

I don't feel threatened at all by having

a conversation with another hairdresser.

:

00:47:15,636 --> 00:47:16,266

That's what?

:

00:47:16,536 --> 00:47:18,036

No, you should feel inspired.

:

00:47:18,036 --> 00:47:18,426

Yeah.

:

00:47:18,486 --> 00:47:19,386

That's how I feel.

:

00:47:19,446 --> 00:47:19,866

Right.

:

00:47:19,896 --> 00:47:20,736

It's like, yeah.

:

00:47:20,766 --> 00:47:22,896

So cool to be like, how do you do this?

:

00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:24,816

Like w have you had an issue with this?

:

00:47:25,386 --> 00:47:27,736

So I, , that's all society though, too.

:

00:47:27,736 --> 00:47:28,066

Right.

:

00:47:28,126 --> 00:47:32,656

And our, our, our industry

is dominated with women.

:

00:47:32,686 --> 00:47:33,136

Right.

:

00:47:33,136 --> 00:47:36,346

And so society always wants to

put women are caddy and they're

:

00:47:36,346 --> 00:47:38,326

shitty and they can't get along.

:

00:47:38,326 --> 00:47:39,346

So fuck that.

:

00:47:39,496 --> 00:47:39,886

Yeah.

:

00:47:39,976 --> 00:47:41,296

We're going to flip that narrative.

:

00:47:41,356 --> 00:47:41,746

Yes.

:

00:47:42,016 --> 00:47:44,896

We can all, yeah, it's

flipped upside down.

:

00:47:44,956 --> 00:47:45,706

Starting now.

:

00:47:46,006 --> 00:47:48,706

We can all get along with each other

and there is enough rabbit enough

:

00:47:48,706 --> 00:47:51,646

space, and imagine what we could do.

:

00:47:52,216 --> 00:47:53,176

If we just teamed up.

:

00:47:53,446 --> 00:47:53,866

Yes.

:

00:47:53,926 --> 00:47:54,976

Instead of.

:

00:47:55,036 --> 00:47:55,696

The opposite.

:

00:47:55,756 --> 00:47:56,866

Yeah, I totally agree.

:

00:47:57,146 --> 00:48:02,156

, I think any, and of course, early in

my career, my ego was more pronounced

:

00:48:02,186 --> 00:48:05,696

because I was insecure because I hadn't

been doing this long and it was building.

:

00:48:05,996 --> 00:48:10,886

Those things, but as you get a little

bit more perspective, Um, from the start

:

00:48:10,886 --> 00:48:12,836

starting line, it's like, oh, how silly?

:

00:48:12,866 --> 00:48:15,266

Like, that was never a competition

because they're not me.

:

00:48:15,326 --> 00:48:15,956

They're not me.

:

00:48:16,076 --> 00:48:17,666

Yeah, they're not, yeah, I'm not.

:

00:48:17,666 --> 00:48:17,996

You.

:

00:48:18,176 --> 00:48:20,696

We could do the same haircut

next on the same person.

:

00:48:20,696 --> 00:48:22,856

And they have a completely

different experience.

:

00:48:22,856 --> 00:48:23,276

Right?

:

00:48:23,336 --> 00:48:23,966

Exactly.

:

00:48:24,116 --> 00:48:24,746

Oh, they're great.

:

00:48:24,806 --> 00:48:24,926

You're.

:

00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:25,436

Both are great.

:

00:48:25,616 --> 00:48:29,936

There's no wrong, like, well, and that's

too, why I opened a salon is because.

:

00:48:30,776 --> 00:48:32,246

I can't do everybody's hair.

:

00:48:33,116 --> 00:48:35,186

But I still want to see

everybody all the time.

:

00:48:35,216 --> 00:48:38,276

You know, I've got clients that have

to come on the weekend and I don't

:

00:48:38,276 --> 00:48:40,676

work on the weekend and, or they

have to come after work and I don't

:

00:48:40,676 --> 00:48:42,086

work after three o'clock, you know?

:

00:48:42,086 --> 00:48:45,326

And so I still get to experience

them with other people or.

:

00:48:45,419 --> 00:48:46,799

we do that really good at creatures.

:

00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:49,859

Like we don't, we can clients

bounce around all the time.

:

00:48:49,889 --> 00:48:50,069

It's nice.

:

00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:53,399

And there isn't like a, oh God, I need

to hide in the back because Jen came in,

:

00:48:53,429 --> 00:48:54,779

I'm getting my hair done with Jonathan.

:

00:48:56,189 --> 00:48:57,269

I'm just like, Hey, queen.

:

00:48:58,169 --> 00:48:59,639

You know it, go and say hi.

:

00:48:59,669 --> 00:49:01,019

Yeah, I'll catch you on the next round.

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Like it's.

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00:49:01,739 --> 00:49:02,369

Absolutely.

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00:49:02,369 --> 00:49:03,059

They bounce.

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00:49:03,059 --> 00:49:04,979

They'll see my assistant sometimes.

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00:49:04,979 --> 00:49:08,219

And you know, it just feels really good

to have a collaborative space there

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00:49:08,219 --> 00:49:12,479

with people that just want to like, do

amazing hair and have a good fucking

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00:49:12,479 --> 00:49:18,059

time and not beat each other down and not

talk shit and not do any of that stuff.

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00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:18,539

Right.

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00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:19,949

Because we don't tolerate that either.

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00:49:20,099 --> 00:49:21,779

I would have loved to have

that environment as a.

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00:49:22,739 --> 00:49:23,579

Your dresser.

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00:49:23,799 --> 00:49:26,529

, did you always have that

entrepreneurial drive?

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00:49:26,579 --> 00:49:27,689

Did you always, I didn't.

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00:49:27,809 --> 00:49:27,989

Okay.

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00:49:28,139 --> 00:49:30,389

So how did you decide I'm

going to open my own space?

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00:49:30,419 --> 00:49:32,339

Because I couldn't find

a good place to work.

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00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:32,909

Yeah.

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00:49:33,569 --> 00:49:35,249

And not saying that

everywhere I worked was bad.

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00:49:35,249 --> 00:49:38,219

I'm not saying that, but it

wasn't the perfect space for me.

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00:49:38,279 --> 00:49:40,859

And it's like, what better way

to have the perfect space for

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00:49:40,859 --> 00:49:42,359

you than to build it yourself.

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00:49:42,899 --> 00:49:43,379

Absolutely.

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00:49:43,709 --> 00:49:45,449

I hope that other people come right.

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00:49:45,899 --> 00:49:49,409

And to hope that other people feel

supported and feel welcomed and

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00:49:49,439 --> 00:49:51,119

all of that stuff in that space.

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00:49:51,539 --> 00:49:53,549

And I've had plenty of

people pass through.

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00:49:53,579 --> 00:49:56,999

You know, I've only got two that are

still with me from like the beginning.

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00:49:57,149 --> 00:49:58,739

And how long ago did you open?

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00:49:58,919 --> 00:50:00,299

It'll be six years in March.

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00:50:00,299 --> 00:50:00,569

Wow.

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00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:01,499

Cool.

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00:50:01,949 --> 00:50:02,339

Yeah.

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00:50:02,369 --> 00:50:05,999

So when I look at my, you know, I was

cleaning up my 401k program the other

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00:50:05,999 --> 00:50:08,249

day, and I was looking at all the

people who don't work there anymore.

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00:50:08,249 --> 00:50:09,719

And I was like, oh, this is a lot.

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00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:10,979

And that's okay.

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00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:13,709

And it doesn't feel like that until

you look at them on a list, but yeah,

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00:50:13,739 --> 00:50:16,469

it's just like, but I've learned

something from all of those people and

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00:50:16,469 --> 00:50:18,059

they learn something from me as well.

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00:50:18,059 --> 00:50:21,419

And it's like, some of them went some

of the moves, some of them have babies,

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00:50:21,419 --> 00:50:23,699

some of them did their own thing.

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00:50:23,999 --> 00:50:29,249

You know, and so it's just all, uh, a

person, a relationship in a time period.

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00:50:29,489 --> 00:50:29,849

Yeah.

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00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,559

And that's all it's about.

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00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:31,919

Right?

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00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:32,429

I agree.

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00:50:32,459 --> 00:50:32,699

Yeah.

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00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:34,679

You just want people, no

matter how short or long.

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00:50:34,739 --> 00:50:37,049

Got there their time with you.

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00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:37,979

To be impactful.

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00:50:38,009 --> 00:50:40,679

To be impactful and to

not be like that bitch.

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00:50:40,739 --> 00:50:41,159

Yeah.

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00:50:41,219 --> 00:50:43,439

And maybe some of them are,

but that's none of my business.

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00:50:44,579 --> 00:50:46,439

I have an amazing friend who.

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00:50:46,769 --> 00:50:50,009

Oh man, there was some like something

going down and I was upset about

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00:50:50,009 --> 00:50:52,619

something that somebody had said,

and she was like, you know what?

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00:50:53,009 --> 00:50:54,179

That's not a, your business.

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00:50:54,389 --> 00:50:56,039

What people say about you?

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00:50:56,699 --> 00:50:59,039

Not to you or what they feel about you.

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00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,359

That is not true.

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00:51:01,229 --> 00:51:03,749

It's none of your business, that's

just their shit and they can have it.

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00:51:03,749 --> 00:51:04,709

And that's totally fine.

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00:51:04,739 --> 00:51:06,689

That's such a good way

to think about that.

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00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,219

It literally isn't in my business.

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00:51:08,279 --> 00:51:08,939

What people think.

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00:51:09,209 --> 00:51:11,999

Ah, tool that no one can control of me.

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00:51:12,429 --> 00:51:14,559

Okay, so Jen, you own a salon?

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00:51:14,649 --> 00:51:14,889

Yes.

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00:51:14,889 --> 00:51:15,729

You are a doula.

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00:51:15,789 --> 00:51:15,879

Yes.

:

00:51:16,089 --> 00:51:18,429

You live in Palmetto

and you have a garden?

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00:51:18,489 --> 00:51:18,999

Yes.

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00:51:19,029 --> 00:51:20,379

Do you have any other cool.

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00:51:20,739 --> 00:51:22,119

Act activities or.

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00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:24,129

Well, yes.

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00:51:24,489 --> 00:51:26,079

I've done some standup comedy.

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00:51:26,259 --> 00:51:27,639

Really improv.

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00:51:28,149 --> 00:51:28,659

Okay.

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00:51:28,689 --> 00:51:30,159

Well, it's a different thing.

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00:51:30,279 --> 00:51:30,699

Oh yeah.

:

00:51:30,699 --> 00:51:31,689

I was horrible at improv.

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00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,889

I think I'd be better at stand-up.

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00:51:32,949 --> 00:51:33,309

Yeah.

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00:51:33,309 --> 00:51:36,459

So there's an amazing, I'm

going to plug lace Larrabee.

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00:51:36,489 --> 00:51:40,779

She is an amazing local comic who.

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00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:43,599

Wanted to get more women into comedy.

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00:51:43,629 --> 00:51:43,809

Okay.

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00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:44,019

Right.

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00:51:44,019 --> 00:51:46,419

So she started teaching

classes just for women.

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00:51:46,809 --> 00:51:51,249

And now, um, she does mix

classes and so anyone can join.

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00:51:51,249 --> 00:51:53,379

So I've done two of hers,

her level one and level two.

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00:51:53,409 --> 00:51:53,919

Oh my God.

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00:51:53,919 --> 00:51:53,979

Cool.

:

00:51:54,339 --> 00:51:57,219

And the confidence that I have

gained to be able to just sit here

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00:51:57,219 --> 00:51:58,299

and do this with you right now.

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00:51:58,659 --> 00:51:58,989

Right.

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00:51:59,259 --> 00:52:00,999

Not saying I'm all the time.

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00:52:02,169 --> 00:52:03,909

Kind of being comfortable in my voice.

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00:52:04,359 --> 00:52:08,349

So I did a little of that, but the

comedy scene is kind of soul crushing.

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00:52:09,129 --> 00:52:09,339

Fuck.

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00:52:09,369 --> 00:52:09,489

Yeah.

:

00:52:09,669 --> 00:52:14,679

And I like to go to bed at nine o'clock

and there's not many matinee open mikes.

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00:52:15,609 --> 00:52:16,749

There's a couple.

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00:52:17,169 --> 00:52:23,019

And I might start one, uh,

you know, Matt named mimosa.

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00:52:23,409 --> 00:52:24,369

Open mic who knows?

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00:52:24,369 --> 00:52:25,149

We'll figure it out.

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00:52:25,209 --> 00:52:26,139

You let me know if you do.

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00:52:26,259 --> 00:52:29,259

Yeah, because I'm just

not a late night person.

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00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:34,929

And sometimes the people that show up

that think they're funny and are just like

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00:52:34,929 --> 00:52:37,089

scary and inappropriate and disgusting.

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00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:37,569

Yeah.

:

00:52:37,959 --> 00:52:38,829

That's a whole thing.

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00:52:38,859 --> 00:52:39,159

Yeah.

:

00:52:39,219 --> 00:52:42,009

That whole scene is so incestuous.

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00:52:42,429 --> 00:52:47,019

And what I realized I had like a

hardcore year or two of being like deeply

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00:52:47,019 --> 00:52:48,699

involved in the Atlanta and prophecy.

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00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,479

And then I realized like the lifers

and the ones on the ground for a long

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00:52:52,509 --> 00:52:54,609

time, I'm like, oh, I don't this.

:

00:52:54,729 --> 00:52:56,079

These aren't my there's an underbelly.

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00:52:56,139 --> 00:52:57,099

There's an underbelly.

:

00:52:57,099 --> 00:53:00,369

There's an underbelly that

can feel very uncomfortable.

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00:53:00,769 --> 00:53:05,539

, but thankfully lace has helped

fill the city with a lot of amazing

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00:53:05,539 --> 00:53:10,689

women, , and an men that kind of

know how to not be pieces of shit.

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00:53:10,779 --> 00:53:11,469

I love that.

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00:53:12,009 --> 00:53:13,689

Because I will go to open mic, man.

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00:53:13,749 --> 00:53:16,509

Yeah, I'll go to open mic and be

like, he didn't take her class.

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00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:19,629

You know, she talks a lot about

not punching down and don't

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00:53:19,629 --> 00:53:21,369

talk about things that I, yeah.

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00:53:22,269 --> 00:53:23,319

So it's like,

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00:53:25,779 --> 00:53:26,769

You know what I'm saying?

:

00:53:26,889 --> 00:53:27,729

I'm always skeptical.

:

00:53:27,729 --> 00:53:30,279

If someone's like, oh, did you see

so-and-so's new comedy special?

:

00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:31,269

And it's a guy I'm like,

:

00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:34,749

Not totally interested.

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00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:37,539

But thank God.

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00:53:37,539 --> 00:53:40,659

Lee says like fill this city with some

amazing women so you can show up and

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00:53:40,659 --> 00:53:41,979

there's definitely more than used to be.

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00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,469

Take one of her classes

called laugh lab comedy.

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00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:45,279

Okay.

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00:53:45,279 --> 00:53:47,889

And I'll link it in our show notes

too, because I know a lot of people

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00:53:47,889 --> 00:53:49,149

who are interested in she's amazing.

:

00:53:49,179 --> 00:53:52,659

She is, uh, may say, oh, I'm

so glad that that came up.

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00:53:52,689 --> 00:53:53,139

Yeah.

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00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:54,339

I've sent friends there.

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00:53:54,339 --> 00:53:55,839

I've met people through that.

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00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:56,889

Like we, yeah.

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00:53:56,889 --> 00:53:58,659

So it's like a great network.

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00:53:58,659 --> 00:54:00,879

And even if I never, people are always

like, when are you going to do it?

:

00:54:00,939 --> 00:54:01,719

What are you going to do it again?

:

00:54:01,749 --> 00:54:02,469

I'm like, I don't know.

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00:54:02,859 --> 00:54:04,029

How long ago did you do it?

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00:54:04,509 --> 00:54:06,369

I think I took her first

class two years ago.

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00:54:06,789 --> 00:54:08,019

And then I took one last year.

:

00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,339

So I have a tight five and I got

15 minutes of work to material.

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00:54:12,789 --> 00:54:16,749

And I'm writing all the time, but I

just, yeah, maybe at some point I'll

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00:54:16,749 --> 00:54:21,309

I'll have space, but you know, with

the salon and, and a podcast coming.

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00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:22,449

Ooh.

:

00:54:23,289 --> 00:54:24,519

Because we need another one of them.

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00:54:25,959 --> 00:54:27,129

We need somebody it's fine.

:

00:54:27,129 --> 00:54:27,699

Who cares?

:

00:54:28,059 --> 00:54:31,839

Who cares, but yeah, Ray and I

have tons of things in the works.

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00:54:32,229 --> 00:54:32,919

I love that.

:

00:54:33,399 --> 00:54:37,539

And what's interesting is I think all of

these little facets compliment each other.

:

00:54:37,779 --> 00:54:41,439

Like my time doing, I say everybody

should take a level one improv class,

:

00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:43,929

because like you just mentioned it really.

:

00:54:44,049 --> 00:54:46,719

I used to get anxiety and

rehearse like a phone call.

:

00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:48,909

Um, oh, no, I just hit call.

:

00:54:48,939 --> 00:54:49,089

I don't totally.

:

00:54:49,329 --> 00:54:50,019

Figure it out.

:

00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,069

Like there's another person.

:

00:54:51,429 --> 00:54:52,569

Contributing to this conference.

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00:54:53,259 --> 00:54:56,699

Um, and it really, it helps

your confidence and, , comedy

:

00:54:56,699 --> 00:54:57,659

is so great for that.

:

00:54:57,929 --> 00:54:58,709

Yeah, that's amazing.

:

00:54:58,769 --> 00:54:59,249

Yeah.

:

00:54:59,549 --> 00:55:02,549

I think the more scary it sounds to

you, the more you probably should do it.

:

00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:02,849

Yeah.

:

00:55:02,849 --> 00:55:05,099

If it doesn't make you want to

shit, your pants, then you're

:

00:55:05,099 --> 00:55:07,499

probably not doing the right things.

:

00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:09,269

Yeah, you're staying Tuesday.

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00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:10,229

Yeah.

:

00:55:10,259 --> 00:55:11,369

I love that every year.

:

00:55:11,369 --> 00:55:14,549

I always say like, I'm like, I

want to do something really scary.

:

00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:16,959

, Uh, what's your scary thing

you're going to do this year.

:

00:55:17,289 --> 00:55:17,739

Do you have anything?

:

00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:19,089

Just the podcast.

:

00:55:19,089 --> 00:55:19,569

Yeah.

:

00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:19,779

Cause.

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00:55:20,019 --> 00:55:22,499

Because we want to bring other

people on it's called, , Creative

:

00:55:22,499 --> 00:55:24,059

creatures, creative creatures.

:

00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:28,469

And you know, it's about collaborating

with your partner in a creative

:

00:55:28,469 --> 00:55:31,919

way, whether that's your spouse or

your sister, or your best friend or

:

00:55:31,919 --> 00:55:35,429

your business partner or whatever,

but like a tight relationship where

:

00:55:35,429 --> 00:55:38,369

you're creating something together

and bouncing ideas off of one another.

:

00:55:38,979 --> 00:55:41,139

, and so, yeah, I mean, we're

going to talk about ourselves.

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00:55:41,139 --> 00:55:41,469

We're going to.

:

00:55:41,889 --> 00:55:43,059

Bring other people on.

:

00:55:43,059 --> 00:55:44,169

So we're going to put ourselves out there.

:

00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,139

We're going to reach out to people

that we know well that we don't know.

:

00:55:47,139 --> 00:55:50,049

Well, yeah, we're going to

try to call in some favors.

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00:55:50,409 --> 00:55:51,759

Do you have any suggestions?

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00:55:51,759 --> 00:55:53,109

Just hit me up.

:

00:55:53,479 --> 00:55:57,079

, but yeah, so that's going

to be different and scary.

:

00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:57,979

I'm so excited.

:

00:55:57,979 --> 00:56:00,859

And like maybe no one will listen to it,

but that's not why we're doing it right.

:

00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:03,949

Well, and because that's not why

you're doing it, people will listen.

:

00:56:04,129 --> 00:56:06,889

Like it's crazy to me what our

metrics are for this podcast.

:

00:56:06,949 --> 00:56:07,159

Yeah.

:

00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:08,689

Does anybody care?

:

00:56:08,899 --> 00:56:10,459

Yeah, people do people care?

:

00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:13,969

I'm not I'm Joe Rogan, but

I'm also of the Mount Barnaby.

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00:56:14,179 --> 00:56:15,499

No one wants to be.

:

00:56:16,339 --> 00:56:17,539

Well, we don't.

:

00:56:17,889 --> 00:56:21,219

, and there's a possible, another

creature location, maybe so.

:

00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:24,069

Jen has a lot of her sleep.

:

00:56:25,149 --> 00:56:28,269

Yeah, this is going to be a

year of expansion and growth.

:

00:56:28,779 --> 00:56:30,489

And just like seeing where it all goes.

:

00:56:30,699 --> 00:56:33,649

Oh, , do you do a word of the year

or theme of the year or anything like

:

00:56:33,649 --> 00:56:34,879

that, or you a new year's person?

:

00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:35,719

I do.

:

00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,399

And this year it was just expansion.

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00:56:37,579 --> 00:56:37,999

I love that.

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00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,109

All the ways.

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00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:41,149

Yeah.

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00:56:41,209 --> 00:56:45,499

Generate that money generate those

friendships, cultivate relationships.

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00:56:45,499 --> 00:56:45,799

Yeah.

:

00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:46,399

All of it.

:

00:56:46,429 --> 00:56:46,819

Yeah.

:

00:56:47,269 --> 00:56:47,809

I love it.

:

00:56:48,439 --> 00:56:51,199

Um, Jen, is there

anything that we haven't.

:

00:56:51,739 --> 00:56:54,229

Discussed that you want

to share with people?

:

00:56:54,259 --> 00:56:55,729

I don't think so, babe.

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00:56:55,729 --> 00:56:56,509

I don't know.

:

00:56:56,899 --> 00:57:01,069

I mean, there's a whole aspect of being a

parent too, in this world with these kids.

:

00:57:01,609 --> 00:57:03,499

Well, I can say that I am not the person.

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00:57:03,529 --> 00:57:03,679

See.

:

00:57:03,769 --> 00:57:05,479

Facilitate that conversation.

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00:57:05,689 --> 00:57:06,979

We'll do that on our podcast.

:

00:57:07,339 --> 00:57:08,809

We would talk about that, but yeah.

:

00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:12,219

, but if everybody needs to do

levels, Anyone needs a doula.

:

00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:12,639

Yep.

:

00:57:12,669 --> 00:57:13,509

Send them my way.

:

00:57:13,659 --> 00:57:15,129

Anyone needs a new hairstylist.

:

00:57:15,129 --> 00:57:17,529

If you're too busy, I

don't take any clients.

:

00:57:17,529 --> 00:57:18,279

So I'm all for.

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00:57:18,429 --> 00:57:19,149

I don't really either.

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00:57:19,209 --> 00:57:19,509

Okay.

:

00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:20,349

Come to creature.

:

00:57:20,379 --> 00:57:20,499

We.

:

00:57:20,859 --> 00:57:21,879

We got all the prices.

:

00:57:23,799 --> 00:57:27,639

We've got all the price points and

all the, all the people and yeah.

:

00:57:28,089 --> 00:57:28,719

All the thing.

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00:57:28,899 --> 00:57:29,739

Oh, I love that.

:

00:57:29,889 --> 00:57:32,409

Well, Jen, I'm so

appreciative of your time.

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00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:38,179

, I hope if you listened, you laughed and

learned and just had a good example of how

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to have a conversation with a stranger.

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And find out you have a million

things in common because no, one's

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really strange anymore in this world.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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They're like, we're all

connected social media.

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I mean, we know so many

people, so, oh my gosh.

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Yeah, crazy.

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No, one's a stranger.

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No, one's a stranger.

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You just have to peel back those layers.

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That's right.

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Be willing to connect with people.

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That's right.

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That's a beautiful thing.

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That's right.

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, so I'll link Jen studio I'll link.

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The standup class I'll link everything

that I said I was going to link.

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Throughout this lovely conversation and

just a reminder Clover club listeners

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get 10% off@hawkinsandclover.com with

promo code Clover club, all caps.

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And we will hear you next week.

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Jen.

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Thank you so so much.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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This has been great.

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Yay.

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That was good.

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I got 12 minutes to get down the street.

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That's all right.

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Oh,

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Curious conversations and stories intended to make you laugh and learn.
As a shop owner and hair stylist with an impressive number of stamps on her passport, Erika Audrey has heard or experienced it all. And she's ready to share. These real life conversations and stories will make you laugh, cry, and gasp- sometimes in the same episode! Join Erika Audrey straight from Atlanta gift shop Hawkins & Clover. Welcome to Clover Club.

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Erika Audrey, a luminous presence hailing from the vibrant city of Atlanta, Georgia, is not your ordinary hairstylist and boutique owner. With a zest for life that's as contagious as her laughter, Erika is poised to take the podcasting world by storm as she embarks on her latest venture.

Launching her debut podcast is a natural extension of Erika's multifaceted personality. With an uncanny ability to seamlessly weave humor into her conversations, Erika's laughter-inducing anecdotes and razor-sharp wit are bound to captivate listeners. Her intelligence shines through as she tackles a diverse range of topics, proving that beneath the laughter lies substance and insight.