Episode 26
Nancy's Time Capsule
In this captivating episode we journey through the remarkable life of Nancy Rorabaugh. At 86, Nancy shares the vivid tapestry of her experiences, beginning with her childhood during the tumultuous times of World War II. Her story unfolds through tales of love and loss, featuring two marriages that shaped her path, and brought her two wonderful daughters. Nancy takes us behind the scenes of a 30-year illustrious career in the male dominated advertising industry, where her creating and determination left and indelible mark. But Nancy's adventures didn't stop at the office door; her passion for exploration took her across the globe, experiencing the vast beauty and diversity of our world through International travel. Beyond her achievements and adventures, Nancy reflects on the profound themes of love and again, offering listeners a treasure trove of wisdom and inspiration. Join us for an episode that's not just a journey through Nancy's life but a reflection on the enduring power of living fully at every age.
Transcript
Welcome to Clover club, a podcast
about curious conversations and stories
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:intended to make you laugh and learn.
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:I'm your host, Erica.
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:And today.
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:Oh, boy, I am.
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:I say this every episode that I'm
excited, but this is like very special.
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:So today I'm joined by Nancy or a bot.
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:She is a friend, a neighbor, a client.
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:And one of the coolest and baddest
bitches I have ever met in my life.
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:Um, Nancy.
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:Hi.
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:Erica.
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:Thank you so much for
coming on Clover club.
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:Welcome my pleasure.
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:So, , Nancy, I don't know if it's, because
I've never had a close relationship
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:with a grandmother, but you have this.
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:, Wisdom and energy and these amazing
stories that sweep so many decades
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:that I just cannot get enough of.
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:And today it's just going to be
my absolute pleasure to just sort
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:of wind Nancy up and let her go.
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:Because , the experiences that you've had
in your 86 years, Are just unbelievable.
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:, so I know you've got a busy
schedule and I appreciate you
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:taking time to sit down with me.
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:Sweetie.
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:I don't have a busy schedule
because I'm retired.
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:And so I'm delighted to be here.
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:It's something to do.
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:I love it.
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:Happy to give you something to do Nancy.
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:Um, so Nancy, what year were you born?
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:19 37, 19 37.
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:My goodness.
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:So, , recently I saw Nancy,
I was cutting your hair.
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:And you made a comment about reconnecting
with a childhood friend of yours.
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:Did you say you met in second grade?
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:Yes, I did.
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:Okay.
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:So a woman that Nancy had met in
second grade, and you just casually
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:mentioned that you had moved around a
lot as a kid because of world war II.
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:Correct.
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:And that was just like a crazy
thing for me to hear you say.
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:, because that was obviously a long
time ago and here you are just.
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:Hanging out.
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:And will you just like, what was it like
growing up in the middle of a world war?
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:The earliest memory I have was
before dad was stationed in
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:the air force during the war.
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:Okay.
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:And we're stationed out in Denver,
but prior to our going to Denver,
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:Uh, we had air raids and, uh, the
sirens would go off all the lights.
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:You had to turn the lights off.
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:In the house all over.
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:Lynchburg.
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:Um, so I would sit in the dark with
my mother and my younger sister.
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:And wait for, for the SAR orange to stop
blurring because it was a bomb alert.
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:In other words, we had.
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:Uh, different dads in the
night, walking the neighborhood.
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:Okay.
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:My uncle was one of them.
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:And, , Wait for the sirens to stop.
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:And, , then the lights came back
on and I did not understand.
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:I knew it was scary.
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:And it was terrified, but at four
didn't have any comprehension.
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:Um, the war.
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:Sure.
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:Yeah.
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:How long would that normally last for?
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:I would.
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:Well, what do I remember at 86?
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:Four.
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:It seemed like an eternity
to me, I would say.
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:Probably a good 20 minutes or more.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah.
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:Wow.
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:And it was always a warning,
but never an actual bombing.
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:Right?
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:Of course.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah.
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:Sounds good.
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:We have, in retrospect, might've
been good to bomb Lynchburg, but.
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:Hello.
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:We can go there another time.
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:I mean, I've got all the
time in the world, man.
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:It's my day off.
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:Okay.
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:My goodness.
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:Okay.
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:So that is.
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:That was the beginning, Erica.
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:And then we, uh, dad went to Denver.
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:He was stationed down at Tom.
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:Air force base there.
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:And.
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:Mom and Ann and I took a train out
to Denver and I have some of the
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:fondest memories of train rides.
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:I love trains.
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:Yeah.
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:And then was out there till 45.
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:Okay.
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:That's when they, uh, And came and
there's a big parade and everything.
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:And I remember being.
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:My bike all with red, white, and blue.
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:Wow, you know, Crepe paper and it, you
know, we celebrated the end of the war.
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:And I have the.
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:During that I remember mom and dad huddled
on the sofa, listening to the radio,
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:to the news reports every single night.
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:I like that.
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:And I didn't get.
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:All of the intensity of it.
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:Of course still young.
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:But, um, I knew something was not right.
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:Yeah.
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:But the biggest memory I have is going out
to the air force base to the dinner club.
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:And of course it was
balancing and everything.
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:And I fell in love with
a young Lieutenant.
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:Oh, at nine years old.
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:Well, yes, because he'd asked me to
dance and I could put my feet on top
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:of his and that's the way we dance.
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:That's one of the biggest memories I have
of Denver is dancing on that young man.
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:I was madly in love with him.
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:And this is not your first husband.
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:No, no.
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:No, no.
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:We've got plenty of
time between them there.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:So the war ended.
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:Did you stay in Denver?
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:No.
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:Dad transitioned out, uh,
down into Harland or Texas,
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:which is my idea of hell.
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:And, um, Hotter than you can imagine.
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:Yeah.
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:And, uh, we had to shake our shoes every
morning to be sure there weren't spiders.
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:Oh, goodness.
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:Uh, you know, it was.
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:Plus having to sleep in the same bed with
my sister, which was not a good thing.
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:Not ideal.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:Okay.
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:And how long were you there for?
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:I.
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:Um, Vasquez was probably
a year, maybe not quite.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:So you moved around a lot as a kid
because of your, because of the day.
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:All of the war.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:So, uh, Later in life.
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:You.
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:I followed the path of an artist I did.
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:How did that come about?
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:I always could draw.
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:Okay.
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:And, uh, the biggest thing that
my parents were impressed with
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:is in the coloring books, Erica.
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:I would stay in the lines.
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:I never came out of the lines.
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:Perfect color.
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:Perfect.
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:Uh, distribution of color, nothing,
you know, and they decided at
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:that point that I was artistic.
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:Yeah.
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:And they kept telling me now my aunt
Jane dad's sister was an artist, so
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:they thought I had inherited that.
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:And indeed, I probably do.
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:That's so close.
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:I could always draw.
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:I spent hours.
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:In my room, drawing my hands and I love.
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:Biting parts and you know,
and faces and stuff like that.
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:So, yeah, that's so cool.
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:So, , as a kid, did you know that
was something that you could,
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:uh, , make a career out of or pursue
that way or, no, not that early,
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:but I knew it was damn good at it.
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:I love that competent and nobody else.
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:You know, all through school
and high school, junior high
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:and grade school, I could.
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:Outdraw anybody.
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:That's awesome.
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:Did you ever win any like
competitions or anything like that?
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:I did S uh, several, , that were
just local in the high school.
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:Yeah.
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:Uh, senior high.
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:Okay.
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:I've forgotten what they were, but yeah.
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:That's awesome.
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:I love that.
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:Yeah.
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:, so you graduated from high school.
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:Then what.
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:Then I went to Mary
Washington for two years.
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:I wanted a liberal arts degree.
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:And then fully planned to transfer
to a it's VCU now, but it was
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:Richmond professional Institute.
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:It's time that I went okay.
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:And, I knew I wanted to
be a commercial artist.
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:It wasn't designed, or it
wasn't graphic designer.
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:Wasn't advertising or branding
any of the stuff now, but, , new
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:that's what I wanted to do and did
transfer to Richmond, um, and, uh,
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:sophomore year for the last two years.
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:Okay.
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:That's where I met.
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:Husband number one.
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:Oh.
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:Okay.
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:He was, , from North Carolina.
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:Okay.
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:And, uh, also in the design group.
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:And, uh, or the design class.
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:And we.
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:We're friends right away.
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:And friendship first.
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:Yeah.
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:And then they say that's good.
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:And it was, it was for me, it was, yeah.
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:Yeah, yeah.
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:That's awesome.
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:Okay.
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:So you met your first husband,
you graduated from school.
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:Then.
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:No, I, I actually didn't graduate.
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:Uh, my dad died.
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:So I had to, David was still in school.
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:Okay.
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:And I went to work in a small agency.
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:Because we were married at that point.
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:And he was finishing up his last year.
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:I couldn't afford to go family
couldn't afford to send me.
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:Wow.
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:Uh, to finish.
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:So I didn't and we got yo.
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:We were married.
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:So I went to work and then, , we
moved to North Carolina.
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:I had two children, so I
didn't go back to school.
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:To finish up an undergraduate
degree to my daughters.
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:We're like in kindergarten.
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:Oh, interesting.
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:First grade and kindergarten, you
know that and, um, Finished up the
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:undergraduate degree at that point.
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:Good for you and then
decided to go to grad school.
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:And, , to be a fine arts
painter figure painter.
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:Yeah.
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:And, , at that point, And grad school.
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:Decided I was going to
do male nudes because.
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:Tired of looking at females.
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:A lot of the female body and not a problem
with it, but I thought male bodies got.
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:Got something going.
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:You ready for a really risky story.
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:Okay.
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:Um, David and I home.
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:Uh, smoked joint.
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:And I looked at him and I said, strip.
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:I want to draw.
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:He looked at me, like shot him.
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:And I said, oh, for God's sakes, not
anything I haven't seen for years.
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:Seriously strip.
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:I want to draw that's right.
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:So I did.
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:That's what started me on
my figure, my male figure.
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:Painting.
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:For grad school.
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:So, , that's what I was doing first year.
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:I walk into second year of grad school.
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:The destructor comes in
and says, design something.
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:, 65 feet and soft.
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:Oh, wow.
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:And I thought, damn, roll of toilet
paper with some drawing on it.
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:Not going to solve this problem.
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:Yeah.
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:So I got, okay, Nancy, just walk in thing.
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:You got a semester.
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:Long story short.
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:, Walk past some pipes that were
sought hissing sound coming from.
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:And I thought that's it recording?
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:65 feet of soft tape sound, not drawing,
not painting, not doing a damn thing.
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:And that threw me into final year
of grad school doing a sound and
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:light project based on not music.
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:Soft sound.
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:Wow.
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:That's so innovative.
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:Yeah.
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:So I get.
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:I know the sounds that you could just go.
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:And I don't mean to, for it to sound
that way, but because I could draw
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:and paint and watercolor, I could
do all mediums, pastel, all of that.
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:I got bored with it.
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:Very very easily.
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:And it's still true today.
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:Oh, I get bored doing the
same thing over again.
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:And so I, I don't.
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:That makes sense.
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:Nancy.
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:And I were chatting before we hit record
and she made a comment about, you know,
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:just how interesting it is to learn how
to do a podcast and all this stuff in.
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:We agreed that you should never stop
challenging yourself to learn new things.
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:Absolutely.
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:Um, because it does get boring.
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:If you know that you're good at
something, and there's not much
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:of a challenge in that, you know?
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:Correct.
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:So I love that from a young age, you
identified that really absolutely.
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:The hard path.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Challenging past.
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:And it excited me, Erica.
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:, and I do that now with photography.
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:I don't paint or draw anymore.
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:I.
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:I don't want to.
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:Yeah.
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:But I do photography and
what I realize I can do.
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:Is create texture and go in
close with the micro land.
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:And see things that I had
never seen before that you
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:can't see with the naked eye.
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:And it reminded me of biology class.
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:And how fascinated I was in the labs under
the microscope, looking at cell structure.
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:And that you are not visible to the naked
eye, but there it was under microscope.
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:So that's the same.
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:What I get finally at this age.
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:This point in my life.
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:Creative.
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:And excitement.
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:Yeah.
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:Is photography and going in on things that
I create and seeing things that I would
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:never be able to see with a naked heart.
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:That is so cool.
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:Yeah.
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:I love that.
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:Yeah.
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:So, okay.
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:You finished your degree.
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:You've got these two young kids.
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:You're still married at this point.
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:Um, ah, Take us from there.
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:Okay.
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:Okay.
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:Grad school.
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:I told you I was in grad school.
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:And it was a whole women's lib.
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:Um, you know, everything, that's
just gone down the tubes now I
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:fought very hard for women's rights.
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:Great.
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:Thank you.
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:And, uh, uh, just kills my soul.
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:, But in that.
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:Two years of grad school,
I found my identity.
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:Does that make sense to you?
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:Yes.
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:As an artist.
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:As a woman.
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:Um, An intelligence, everything.
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:And at that point, and I did try.
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:To make the marriage work.
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:And realized I couldn't do it and it
wasn't going to be good for me to stay.
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:Yeah.
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:And so I elected.
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:To leave.
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:Um, I knew I couldn't take the children
because I wouldn't have been able to
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:support them and husband, wasn't somebody
I could rely on for constant money.
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:He just couldn't do it.
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:So.
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:I left.
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:And that began my Odyssey.
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:Down to Atlanta and into advertising.
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:And.
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:My career.
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:It lasted almost 30 years and I was in my.
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:Late thirties, early
forties at that point.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah.
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:When I came to Atlanta.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah.
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:I'm fascinated by, well, hold on.
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:How old were your girls then?
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:Uh, when I divorced a seven and 10.
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:Okay.
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:Okay.
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:And did you, uh, I know
you're very close now.
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:Did you keep in touch with that?
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:Oh, God.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah, never deserted.
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:No, I physically wasn't there, but
talk to them on the phone all the time.
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:And I'm down to visit me, went
up there to visit friends and
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:saw them at that point as well.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah, I'm intrigued by.
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:I mean, even now, As women
we're kind of sold this idea
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:that our identity comes from.
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:Marriage and childbirth.
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:Correct.
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:So I'm so impressed by.
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:It at that time you identifying,
that's not the case.
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:And I think that being
married can be great.
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:I think that being a mother
can be great, but there's.
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:That leaves that, how
do I want to say this?
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:It's not enough, right?
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:Because those are the things
that are outside of you.
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:Is that something had
you always wanted kids.
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:, like.
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:How did you come to grips with.
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:That not being the main part.
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:Yes.
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:I did, uh, because that's.
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:You're talking about fifties women.
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:Yeah.
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:And that's what you did.
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:You, you was.
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:I was told I should get an education,
be educated for my husband.
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:To be a good host.
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:It's in to be a good.
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:Intelligent person.
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:That was the only reason
to get an education.
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:I was encouraged to do it.
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:Mom and dad, but yeah.
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:Uh, that was the reason.
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:You know, so I just thought
that's what you did.
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:And I did, and, and I love David.
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:Yeah, I didn't marry him
because I had to, or.
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:Anything like that.
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:I thought we'd be married forever.
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:No, and didn't turn out that way.
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:And the girls.
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:It was, it was hard.
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:But I knew I wasn't gonna really, I
wasn't going to survive if I didn't leave.
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:Yeah.
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:And I tried to be there for him and have.
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:Oh, yeah.
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:Uh, regardless.
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:And, I never stopped loving them.
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:I mean, it wasn't that.
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:I just, I remember when Jennifer there.
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:This one was born and I.
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:They put her in my arms and I thought.
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:Oh, my God.
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:What's this.
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:you know, But, you know, it's instinctual
sure you are and there's love.
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:And you know, it was fun
times and scary times.
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:And you know, all of that, it
wasn't that I didn't, I didn't.
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:We want them in a way that I think young
women today when they start families
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:really want, they knew they wanted that.
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:I just thought that's what you did.
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:Yeah.
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:And it's not that I didn't want it.
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:Because I never questioned that I wanted
it and would be happy and was with them.
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:I mean, you know, Uh, it was, I didn't
know a thing about raising children.
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:All you have was Dr.
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:Spock don't anybody.
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:Anybody ever pick up one of those books.
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:Because it was awful.
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:I mean, that's all the backup you
had for any problem with a child.
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:So it was hard.
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:And I think for any woman in my
generation, Uh, it would have been
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:a hard and they're probably some.
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:That did that took, you
know, it was better.
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:It wasn't, wasn't a children.
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:Yeah.
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:That caused any.
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:The, in the marriage, it
was me finding myself.
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:Yeah.
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:Finding myself and who I was
for the first time in my life
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:since van a very young girl.
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:That's so beautiful.
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:And I think a lot of people live
entire lifetimes and never find that.
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:Yeah.
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:I had done that.
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:They put themselves in the back burner
and then, you know, you wake up and
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:you're 86 and you're like, oh man.
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:Uh, daylight and a dollar short.
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:Yeah.
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:So I just I'm.
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:So I'm so impressed by that.
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:And I know that was, uh, especially
in the fifties, my God, I mean,
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:it's such a tough decision.
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:But I think that one in the sixties.
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:Okay.
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:Also tough.
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:Yeah.
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:Also tough.
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:Yeah.
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:No, definitely tough.
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:Yeah, definitely.
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:So you shared a story with me.
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:Nancy wants that.
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:I think.
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:Circles back into this part of your
timeline, where you mentioned you were
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:down here, you were working at an agency.
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:And in a male dominated field and
here you are a woman doing your thing.
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:Talk to me about what that was like.
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:It was difficult.
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:I don't know how many of your
audience ever watch madman,
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:but that's probably a lot.
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:That's what it was even in the
sixties that started in the fifties.
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:The program did, but the
things that were operative.
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:We're still there.
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:They weren't as overt.
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:Okay.
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:But they were there.
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:Interesting.
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:They were there and I.
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:Ran into that.
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:Uh, quite a few times.
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:Yeah.
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:And have to tell you I got
fired from every job because
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:I didn't take it anymore.
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:I just, you know, Pretty
much said what I thought.
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:Yeah.
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:Got fired.
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:Yeah, use.
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:Use it as a badge of courage.
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:But, , For instance.
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:I was let go.
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:And the creative
director took me to lunch.
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:And said, uh, we we've lost a couple
of clients and we have to, to do this.
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:Uh you're we're not
dissatisfied with your work.
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:You're a great designer.
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:You know, you do great
work and all of that.
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:And I said, well then why
are you letting me go?
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:I wasn't the last hired.
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:Yeah.
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:Uh, this young man was.
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:And he looked straight at me and
he said, well, he's got a wife.
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:And you don't have, you know, I was
dating someone and he said, you have.
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:This person.
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:Yeah.
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:And I, it was like, because I had
a man in my life that he could take
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:care of me and that wasn't the case.
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:Unbelievable.
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:And it was.
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:I realized that I probably
had a case to take to court.
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:But I knew if I did, I'd
never worked in Atlanta again.
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:That wasn't going to do that.
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:Yeah.
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:And what a crazy decision
to, to have to make.
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:Stand up for yourself, where to let it go.
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:It wasn't a job performance problem.
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:You see?
547
:And it should have been
if that wasn't the case.
548
:Last purse hired.
549
:Sure.
550
:First one, let go.
551
:When you've lose clients.
552
:Absolutely.
553
:And they didn't lose.
554
:They didn't let him go
because he was married.
555
:She's working.
556
:Oh, interesting.
557
:Any families she's teacher.
558
:Oh my gosh.
559
:So just because he was
a man and had a woman.
560
:Take care of he takes priority.
561
:Yes.
562
:Unbelievable.
563
:Did anything else crazy like that happen?
564
:Well, let me think.
565
:Well, there's some really,
um, That was the only overt.
566
:Okay.
567
:Thing that did happen, but you
know, plenty of times where.
568
:Well, I actually, in the same
agency, . We had a big client.
569
:I did a campaign, which they presented
and they said, oh, You can't be in on
570
:the presentation because you're a woman.
571
:And if the client knew you were a
woman, we would lose the account.
572
:What.
573
:Are you able, what industry was the
accountant and you don't have to
574
:call them out, but I'm just curious
what type of problems are, you
575
:would know who I was talking about.
576
:Okay.
577
:I won't do that.
578
:Yeah, curiosity is going to kill me.
579
:I'll tell you independent of the podcast.
580
:Perfect.
581
:Can I wonder, can you answer this?
582
:Is it like.
583
:A male dominated product.
584
:Uh, no, because, uh, well,
there's some of those I refused,
585
:they, one of the agencies.
586
:Later, you know, had a, uh, a rifle
account and I wouldn't, they asked me if I
587
:wanted to work on it and I said, no, Nope.
588
:No, no, no.
589
:But, The one ad I was given
in this original agency.
590
:Oh, I was with, um, The first day or they
gave me was a half page for a women's,
591
:, lotion for stretch marks after my gosh.
592
:Well, that should be your,
your expertise, Nancy.
593
:Well, Yeah.
594
:You know, I thought.
595
:Okay.
596
:This is not a challenge.
597
:But I did a really good job.
598
:And, , I was proud of, it was my
first one I could put in my portfolio.
599
:Well, good for you.
600
:And then they gave me another bigger.
601
:The thing to do full page ad.
602
:That really was a springboard
for me to further work.
603
:That's cool.
604
:Yeah.
605
:Okay.
606
:So you're in your mad
men era, you're fighting.
607
:For feminism.
608
:You're divorced, you're dating around.
609
:I know husband number two comes
floating in at some point.
610
:Okay.
611
:I wasn't dating around, uh, you
know, I didn't mean it promiscuously.
612
:No, no, no.
613
:Well, um, unless, you know,
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
614
:Uh, uh,
615
:Man by and large, not attracted
to me because of my mouth.
616
:So maybe that's my fault.
617
:Yeah.
618
:Uh, you know, that's pretty much
the way that is, but, um, Um,
619
:It was seven years.
620
:And then I met my second husband
through friends that I had worked
621
:with at one of the agencies.
622
:And we each marriage in
retrospect lasted 13 years.
623
:Not really lucky, you know?
624
:But.
625
:I was in my late fifties
when the second one ended.
626
:Okay.
627
:And then my life began Erica.
628
:Oh.
629
:Cause I had always wanted to travel.
630
:I wanted to see Greece.
631
:And Italy and all of Europe, because I
was a big history, European history, nut.
632
:As well as English literature.
633
:Oh.
634
:And I might just say.
635
:Jane Austin didn't help me
in the men department cause
636
:I was ever looking for Darcy.
637
:Oh.
638
:He doesn't exist.
639
:He does not.
640
:This does not exist.
641
:Ladies, let me tell you.
642
:So that was part of me looking
for the wrong thing as well.
643
:Yeah.
644
:Well, that also that
follows that same thread of.
645
:From a young age kind of being
shown like this is what your
646
:life is supposed to look like.
647
:Yes.
648
:What love is supposed to
look like and partnership.
649
:And it's just not the case in equal.
650
:Uh, she was so brilliant at it,
writing all of her stories where
651
:the women having their own boys.
652
:Yep.
653
:And that was a real part of my.
654
:Establishing who I was female.
655
:Yeah.
656
:I like that.
657
:It wasn't my mother.
658
:The two women that influenced
me the most were a Jane Austin.
659
:And, , Georgia O'Keeffe.
660
:Cool.
661
:That's it.
662
:Yeah, they, they formed.
663
:MI good and bad.
664
:You know, with though.
665
:Looking for Darcy thing.
666
:Ridiculous.
667
:Not helpful, not helpful.
668
:But there's a very oh,
romantic side to me.
669
:Yeah.
670
:Juxtaposed to the real list.
671
:Yeah.
672
:And it's a constant battle.
673
:I can totally relate to that.
674
:Why are you thinking about hard heart
saying, what are you thinking about?
675
:You know, get over it.
676
:It's not that easy.
677
:Yeah.
678
:No Daisy.
679
:Did you know, when you
married your second husband?
680
:That it wouldn't last forever.
681
:No, not really.
682
:Okay.
683
:You know, but when no, cause
it was kind of a surprise.
684
:Oh, interesting.
685
:Okay.
686
:Uh, who was a good bit younger than I was.
687
:How much is a good bet?
688
:Uh, 10 years.
689
:Nine 10 years.
690
:Yeah.
691
:Okay.
692
:They have to be younger
to keep up with me.
693
:I love you.
694
:And stripped gentlemen.
695
:Pretty much.
696
:My hero.
697
:But what I was getting
ready to say, Erica.
698
:Because it did break.
699
:It allowed me to go to travel.
700
:And, uh, when I turned 60, I thought.
701
:I'm going.
702
:Uh, I knew there had
been a type typography.
703
:I love type.
704
:I taught type.
705
:The use of typography fonts,
all that love letter forms.
706
:Absolutely adore them.
707
:And, There was a big, a type I
conference in Redding, England.
708
:Ooh, and it was happening.
709
:, the summer or the, well,
it was not somewhere.
710
:It was fall.
711
:My birthday's in September.
712
:Okay.
713
:And, , I thought that's where
I'm from our 60th birthday.
714
:I'm going to rent a car.
715
:I'm going to fly.
716
:I'm going to rent a car Gatwick
and I'm going to drive to Redding.
717
:This is awesome.
718
:And after I'm through with the conference,
I'm going to drive west to Boff and down.
719
:You know, to solve it, I'm gonna,
and then go back, fly home.
720
:Good for you.
721
:And I practice walking on the side of the.
722
:The wrong side of the street.
723
:Yeah.
724
:, I had a friend.
725
:That was teaching at, Uh, where
I was and she was from England and
726
:taught me all about roundabout.
727
:So I knew how the drill was on that.
728
:Yeah.
729
:And did that and met my friend, Nan
at the conference and told her what
730
:I was planning to do after you said.
731
:Ooh, new.
732
:You must come with me, you and
stay with me and John and I
733
:will drive with you everywhere.
734
:He sails.
735
:I don't.
736
:And we will travel.
737
:And I said, okay.
738
:If you insist.
739
:So that set up for me.
740
:I was never going to turn a
major birthday in the states.
741
:Yes, I do the same thing.
742
:Yeah.
743
:And, uh, so that was
60, 70 a was in Italy.
744
:Nice.
745
:Unfortunately at 80, I ha I was here.
746
:Well, it was.
747
:Just health wise.
748
:Yeah.
749
:The stuff, I just couldn't do it so glad
I did it when I did, because I had about.
750
:1215 years there that I just
went to, I was going to Europe.
751
:Probably twice a year.
752
:Yeah.
753
:That's awesome.
754
:Different conferences.
755
:And then to visit Nan of friend, I
met at one of the conference was the
756
:director of the Bauhaus in Weimar.
757
:Wow.
758
:And so I went to visit him and,
and his wife and, uh, was able to
759
:see the beginnings about house.
760
:Amazing.
761
:And, , it was the things I've
been able to do in those years,
762
:since that second divorce.
763
:I wouldn't give anything.
764
:So it was.
765
:I'm forever grateful.
766
:I that had happened.
767
:I think every woman needs to
experience solo, international travel.
768
:I agree with.
769
:I totally agree.
770
:There's totally more
character building and.
771
:Absolutely.
772
:Oh, how cool.
773
:And you're resourceful.
774
:You have to rely on your own resources.
775
:And, , it's, it's great.
776
:Ah, fodder for loyal.
777
:Yeah.
778
:Were you ever, , especially with that
60th birthday trip with the first big one?
779
:Yes.
780
:Were you fearful at all?
781
:Or were you just enthusiastic and ready?
782
:Oh, well, no.
783
:Well, You're fearful.
784
:I mean, you know, back, you
know, thinking to myself, oh
785
:God, this is go way wrong, Nancy.
786
:This could be really, really horrible,
but wouldn't let myself do it.
787
:However, I will say.
788
:That Redding England.
789
:There is no from the highway,
no clear way into that.
790
:City that little town, that
little city, not a huge town.
791
:And I drove around the circumference
of reading over and over again.
792
:And I thought headline reads.
793
:American dyes and car, trying
to find the center of town.
794
:Finally just took something that got
me down there on the main street.
795
:And, but it wasn't clearly marked.
796
:Yeah.
797
:And I thought I'm not going
to make the conference.
798
:I'd probably not even be alive.
799
:Even if I just don't get
out of this circling vet.
800
:And there's no I-phones back then.
801
:No.
802
:You are only, maybe you have
a paper map and that's it.
803
:Well, yeah, I had, yeah,
that's pretty much it.
804
:Yeah.
805
:Um, I broke off an engagement and
took a big solo international trap.
806
:And this was like, right.
807
:Like, I think I may have had an
iPhone, but it wasn't there wasn't
808
:the easy maps and navigation.
809
:So this was still like you're
on your own and you're up.
810
:We're getting lost in Paris
and having that scary feeling
811
:of like, is this how I die?
812
:Yeah.
813
:Obviously the answer's no, but I mean,
When you have no one to rely on, but
814
:yourself that is when magic happens.
815
:Well, it reminds me of another store.
816
:I'm going to go back.
817
:Or while this is a college
at marijuana, Washington.
818
:And I had a blind date set up.
819
:Put through a friend of
mine there at west point.
820
:And the head to try change buses in DC.
821
:Okay.
822
:I was going up for the weekend.
823
:And, uh, I just, I decided
there was bus broke down in DC.
824
:The one I was supposed
to take to New York.
825
:And they were getting us on another one.
826
:It was my decision at that point, Erica,
to turn around and go back to college.
827
:Or to keep going and realize that I
would have to spend the night that
828
:I wouldn't be able to get the bus
out of New York up to the point.
829
:Um, okay.
830
:In time.
831
:Because of the delay.
832
:And I've decided to keep going.
833
:And I made a plan that I'd
get into New York city.
834
:I would get a cab.
835
:And go to, um, Y, uh, WCA.
836
:Because I had enough money
that I could probably fit it.
837
:Well, I went in there.
838
:And they didn't have any rooms whatsoever.
839
:So I.
840
:When it calls for it, I can.
841
:Act.
842
:Well, Part of, it was part real and part
little over the top of Scarlet, but yeah.
843
:Southern accent, New York.
844
:You know, I was supposed
to go to the porn.
845
:And I, I just haven't
got anywhere else to go.
846
:Can I just sleep on a sofa in
the F you know, with tears and.
847
:I really just don't know
what to do, you know?
848
:And, , They S they put me
basically in a room closet.
849
:Okay.
850
:And it was had a bed in it, but the
toilet was down the hall and everything.
851
:So I spent, I was fine.
852
:I had a little box of rice
Krispies or something.
853
:You know, so I've had myself.
854
:You know, Out of a box corn CRISPR zone.
855
:And, , got a taxi to the train
station the next morning.
856
:I met one of the most interesting.
857
:Taxi drivers.
858
:In my life.
859
:And I was telling him him.
860
:He said, well, where are you going?
861
:I said, up to the point
and I told him a story.
862
:And he said.
863
:Well, a little lady.
864
:He said that's a lot for you must be
really in love with this young man.
865
:And I said, oh no, it's first.
866
:And I'd never met him.
867
:I just wanted to go west point.
868
:Yeah.
869
:And, , got there and that's
a whole nother store.
870
:But he did not turn into
one of the husbands.
871
:No.
872
:No, no, no, no, no.
873
:But a fun adventure.
874
:But that back to the point.
875
:Of taking risks.
876
:I wouldn't give anything.
877
:And the taxi driver said,
when I said, oh no, no.
878
:First time he said, well, little
lady, you got a lot of guts.
879
:I love that very Brooklyn accent.
880
:He said, man and wife drive
up every weekend on Sunday.
881
:If it was Sunday, I drive you up myself.
882
:Yeah.
883
:Aw, you know, those are the things you
don't forget and interactions with people.
884
:I've had all over the world.
885
:And I wouldn't give anything for my life.
886
:Absolutely.
887
:We're fortunate.
888
:You don't collect interesting
stories like that by playing it safe.
889
:No.
890
:Yeah.
891
:It can be exciting and fun
and maybe a little scared.
892
:Or safe and boring.
893
:Yeah.
894
:Yeah.
895
:I think you just have to challenge
yourself whatever way that comes for you.
896
:And.
897
:I just encourage my granddaughters.
898
:To do that because you
will never regret it.
899
:Yeah, I agree with that.
900
:So at 86 now, Nancy, you have a.
901
:A good little track record behind you.
902
:Of choosing.
903
:The challenging choice.
904
:Yes.
905
:Are there any regrets that you have,
or is there any advice that you have
906
:for younger women or people just
at different phases of their life
907
:that you wish you could go back in
time and maybe tell your past self.
908
:Or your granddaughters.
909
:Uh, I I am at this
point, I have no regrets.
910
:That's awesome.
911
:The.
912
:They grow grit.
913
:That I do have is that I
did have to leave my girls.
914
:But it was survival.
915
:For me.
916
:Yeah, it wasn't.
917
:Didn't leave him because I didn't want
him didn't want him or didn't love him.
918
:That wasn't the thing.
919
:So if I had to look at one regret,
Not to go back and change it.
920
:Because I wouldn't have.
921
:I wouldn't have sure.
922
:You don't have to.
923
:There's some regret that
it couldn't have been.
924
:Yeah, I.
925
:I've tried to be there for him as much.
926
:And this life of mine
is I could possible be.
927
:Well, I would think that the other
side of that choice is staying.
928
:In a dynamic that you were unhappy
in and then modeling for your
929
:girls, that their happiness was
less important than their partners.
930
:Right?
931
:Right.
932
:Yeah, correct.
933
:So, I mean, That makes sense.
934
:Yeah.
935
:Yeah.
936
:So it's just the way it was.
937
:And I'm at the end of my life,
Erica and I don't regret anything.
938
:I'm very grateful.
939
:That's cool.
940
:Good fortune I've had.
941
:Yeah.
942
:One little regret is that, but
I wouldn't have changed it.
943
:So.
944
:Um, I guess it's not regret so much.
945
:It's just some sadness.
946
:Yeah.
947
:That's okay.
948
:Yeah, but it's, it sounds like
the trajectory of your life
949
:would have been vastly different.
950
:Had you oh, Yeah, I would have been.
951
:Um, I wasn't in a good head.
952
:Yeah, it was not a choice.
953
:Yeah, I wouldn't, I
don't know how long our.
954
:What are some are doing?
955
:Well, I appreciate you.
956
:Being so candid and share.
957
:Yeah.
958
:Um, I think everybody's journey
is different, but I encourage.
959
:Uh, I have certainly encouraged
my granddaughters to be
960
:their individual selves.
961
:And to take care of themselves and do what
they needed to do for them regardless.
962
:Yeah.
963
:Yeah.
964
:I know you're 86, but what type of
fun plans do you have in the future?
965
:Well, Remember the story
about my childhood friend.
966
:Yes.
967
:Yes.
968
:Share this with them.
969
:Yes, I looked, I looked her up.
970
:She was just your maiden name.
971
:Cause I've forgotten her married name.
972
:And I knew they were in Baltimore
and I just put in her maiden
973
:name and Baltimore, Maryland.
974
:She came up.
975
:And I paid somebody white
pagers or somebody 12 bucks.
976
:To get me a phone number
and an address yeah.
977
:And called her.
978
:And, and, and she didn't answer because
she was, she was out and she called me
979
:back and she said, oh my God, Nancy.
980
:She said, I couldn't get my coat off.
981
:Fast enough.
982
:And we just started yeah.
983
:Going away and, All stories and
remember to the very same way.
984
:So I'm going to fly to
Baltimore to see her.
985
:Uh, in April.
986
:Just a long weekend.
987
:No, but I think you said it's been 60
years since you've seen each other.
988
:Wow.
989
:And it felt like no time
had passed when you chatted.
990
:No.
991
:It's like nothing had happened.
992
:That's so cool.
993
:I think of like our bodies age as we move
through time, but our soul really doesn't.
994
:Resonate with you.
995
:I would agree with that.
996
:That's so cool.
997
:Yeah.
998
:Yup.
999
:I feel like you've done a
good job of staying young ass.
:
00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:23,220
Energetically.
:
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,110
What would you attribute, attribute that
to your travels and just self exploration?
:
00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:29,970
Or is there anything
else specifically that.
:
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,920
I added to that.
:
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:34,050
I like people.
:
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:37,230
I interact with them regardless, or I am.
:
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:37,620
Aye.
:
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:38,940
Want to find the joy in.
:
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:40,800
I don't want to be old.
:
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:42,360
I mean, I am getting old.
:
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:43,140
Trust me.
:
00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:45,480
Anybody listening to
this, trust me, I'm old.
:
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:51,120
But, Don't ever lose your curiosity or
your interest in other people and things.
:
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,680
You don't have to be best friends.
:
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,510
You, you can talk to somebody.
:
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:59,190
That's serving your coffee or
whatever, and yet to be really.
:
00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:02,130
Relate on a human.
:
00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,590
Positive connected level.
:
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:05,070
Yeah.
:
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:06,630
And that's what I love.
:
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:07,140
Yeah.
:
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,270
Regardless, it could be out on a walk.
:
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:10,890
Can be anywhere.
:
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,340
Yeah.
:
00:40:11,850 --> 00:40:12,630
That's so cool.
:
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,660
And if you don't lose.
:
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,590
Um, your appreciation or your
love for that, or just what.
:
00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:22,960
What interesting person lied on meat.
:
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:28,420
Or thing might happen because
I said hello to somebody.
:
00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:28,900
Sure.
:
00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:29,320
You know?
:
00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:31,210
So that kind of.
:
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:32,560
Curiosity.
:
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,070
Yeah.
:
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,170
I think that's so important in my life.
:
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,470
Yeah.
:
00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:39,520
Is there room in your
future for more romance?
:
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,060
No.
:
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,410
I know I'm being very facetious.
:
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:49,690
Um, not in the sense of
finding intellectual.
:
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,070
Um,
:
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:51,820
Humor.
:
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,030
Humor is huge part of my life.
:
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:55,420
Yes.
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00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:00,430
And it's, uh, One thing probably
has kept me sane as anything.
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00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:04,030
It's just see the humor in things.
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We're in the ridiculousness of things.
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So yes.
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00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:11,080
Well, so yeah, I mean, Darcy.
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Yeah, I'd have a go.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Out.
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They're letting me know.
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Oh man.
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I am going to be so bummed.
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00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,830
If I find out I have to wait until
my eighties to meet my Darcy.
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It's not going to happen.
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00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:30,040
So.
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It will happen long before that.
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Yeah.
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00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:37,600
Do you have any dating advice for people?
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00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:40,330
Uh, just be yourself.
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00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:43,780
And have a sense of humor and, um,
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Be true to yourself.
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00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:46,870
Yeah.
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You.
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00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:49,840
Don't just to be with somebody.
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And have to, to change anything
about yourself in order.
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To do that.
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00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:58,630
It's something I couldn't do.
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00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:59,170
Yeah.
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00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:59,860
I agree.
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00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:04,240
And, um, I think women shouldn't do that.
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I think they should be here.
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00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:05,740
Sure.
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Of themselves.
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00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:08,080
And open.
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00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,170
And not that it, no, no, one's perfect.
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00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:15,640
You know, so it, it's not the can't
change some things, you know, but.
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00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,170
I think you have to.
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00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:19,630
I think men and women,
you have to meet friends.
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00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:22,180
I think you have to meet
somebody and connect and be
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00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:23,920
friends and be able to talk.
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00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,220
And communicate and be yourself.
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00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,580
Yeah.
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00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,890
And, , you the same with them.
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And if that isn't viable.
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00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,110
Uh, then it's not going to
last for a long, in my opinion.
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00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:38,650
Yeah.
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00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:39,790
I can confirm that.
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00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:42,700
That's so funny.
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00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:43,030
Yeah.
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00:42:43,570 --> 00:42:49,180
Um, So at 86, you've got a
couple bionic knees and hips and.
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00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:51,130
Trust me.
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00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:54,940
Leap bound, single young
buildings in a single round.
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00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,530
Yeah, absolutely.
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00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:59,470
Do you have any aging advice?
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00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,540
Because I think you've done
it so gracefully and you've
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00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:03,940
stayed so cool and awesome.
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00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,910
And, uh, I don't look at all
86 year olds and feel that way.
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00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:07,360
So.
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00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,810
I think it's my mind.
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00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:11,860
That's kept me on.
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00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:14,410
Yeah, the body wears out.
:
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,890
There's no question about it,
but if I've always taken care
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00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:19,390
of it, I've always exercised.
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00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:20,170
I eat right.
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00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:22,840
Uh, I'm a good Greek in a way.
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00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:25,930
Everything in moderation,
I don't try to, to, um,
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00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:27,400
Be too harsh on myself.
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00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:27,820
Yeah.
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00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,400
And, But I am cognizant.
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00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:35,830
Of doing the things that I need to do
to keep myself health as well as I can.
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00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:36,220
Yeah.
:
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,960
, The Greeks have a.
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00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:42,610
Thing they think the body, they
look at the body, the ancients
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00:43:42,610 --> 00:43:44,770
did as a suit of clothes.
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00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:47,410
And that's gonna wear out.
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00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,750
So, or the essence.
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00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:52,540
It just houses that yeah.
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00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,920
And that wears out.
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00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,600
So the soul is what's live.
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00:43:56,710 --> 00:44:00,310
And regardless of where you
are religiously or, or not, or.
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00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:01,600
I'm not, but.
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00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,130
Um,
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00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:06,640
There's something in the
universe that is strong.
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00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:07,960
And positive.
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00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:11,470
It's a lot of bad out there, so yeah.
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00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:13,960
Uh, but I really feel.
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00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,840
My mind, my openness to people.
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00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,750
My love of humor.
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00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:21,700
The arts love opera.
:
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:23,830
Oh, God grew up.
:
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:29,200
Listening to Matt every Saturday in
my room by myself with the beautiful.
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00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:32,740
For years didn't speak any Italian.
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00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:34,630
But loved the music.
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00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:35,110
Yeah.
:
00:44:36,010 --> 00:44:39,430
And that, that combination
of story and song.
:
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:46,060
I I've just, I've been so lucky in this
life because I found a lot of joy in it.
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00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:46,630
Yeah.
:
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,420
Uh, literature, music.
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00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,100
Oh theater.
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00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:52,840
All of it.
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00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:54,160
All of it.
:
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,670
Yeah.
:
00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:58,930
Does it feel scary as
you're getting older?
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00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:00,430
okay.
:
00:45:01,690 --> 00:45:02,230
It's good to know.
:
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:04,600
I just want it to be quick.
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00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,050
I just, oh God, take me out.
:
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:12,820
You know, universe, brother,
God, but universe take me out.
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00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,480
Yeah.
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00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Let me just.
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00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:17,710
Everybody wants that.
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00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:18,040
Right.
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00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Uh, I.
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00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,650
C.
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00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:24,170
Friends of mine, old friend
of mine and a friend.
:
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,720
Uh, have Alzheimer's I can't imagine.
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00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:28,040
Uh, worst hell.
:
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:30,170
Yeah, that's all so horrified.
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00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:31,850
Oh, that's so sad.
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00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:33,590
So I feel very fortunate.
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00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,930
But not afraid to die.
:
00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:36,530
Yeah.
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00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:38,720
No it's going to happen.
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00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,250
Oh, It's all of us.
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00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:40,610
Yeah.
:
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,840
And it's not scary.
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00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,440
I D you know,
:
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:46,400
I have an older daughter
that's really into.
:
00:45:46,850 --> 00:45:48,020
Eastern philosophy.
:
00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:50,870
And, you know, some
thinking about you have.
:
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:52,550
You, you don't work it out.
:
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:57,110
You come back and I said,
Well, I ain't coming back.
:
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,150
I'm done with this.
:
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,270
There's this kind of life thing I've done.
:
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:03,920
I don't need to do this anymore.
:
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:06,470
I'm going to float or
whatever's left to me.
:
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,260
It's just going to float
and look down on things.
:
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:10,490
That sounds awesome.
:
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,680
And let the rest of the world go to.
:
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,100
Shit.
:
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:13,880
Yeah.
:
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:14,390
Hello.
:
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:17,960
Yeah, I feel that way.
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00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:19,430
But I needed to see.
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00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,540
Uh, and hopefully, you
know, not afraid to die.
:
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:23,870
Yeah.
:
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,180
I don't want to.
:
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:26,720
Linger.
:
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:29,990
I, if I have a fear,
then that would be it.
:
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:30,620
Okay.
:
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:33,560
Yeah, that would be a non actual death.
:
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,070
Yeah.
:
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,540
Cause that's release.
:
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:36,140
Yeah.
:
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:39,410
I agree with that lingering
and, or not knowing where you
:
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:44,240
were or being tied to a tube or
something, you know, that's not why.
:
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:44,840
Yeah.
:
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:46,550
I wouldn't want that.
:
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,770
That's I, if I have a fear is I
just would like it not to be bad.
:
00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:52,820
Don't know that it won't.
:
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,390
Yeah.
:
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:53,690
Yeah.
:
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:55,580
Do you have an advanced medical directive?
:
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:56,060
I do.
:
00:46:56,090 --> 00:46:56,360
Okay.
:
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:56,570
Good.
:
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,050
.
Yeah, mine is like, if I get a paper cut, I'm like, put me out.
:
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:03,440
I'm done.
:
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:10,190
I'm half joking.
:
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:11,570
Yeah.
:
00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:12,590
All right.
:
00:47:12,590 --> 00:47:14,090
Well, your affairs are in order.
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00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,920
And so now you just get to enjoy yourself.
:
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:19,640
Pretty much, but what will
be, will be yeah, exactly.
:
00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:21,620
I don't know for all of us in one way.
:
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:22,790
Yeah, absolutely.
:
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:26,360
Yeah, because you don't always get to
have that, but no, you don't and to enjoy
:
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:28,610
what you have and take full advantage.
:
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:29,150
Yeah.
:
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:33,320
I love that and be kind and
be kind and laugh a lot.
:
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:36,050
It's the best medicine.
:
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,010
Yeah, it is, isn't it?
:
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:37,370
Yeah.
:
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:37,520
Yeah.
:
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:37,970
Truly.
:
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:38,360
Yeah.
:
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,600
Well, Nancy, is there anything else
that you want to share or talk about?
:
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,460
I feel like this has been so wonderful.
:
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:45,350
No, I, I it's good.
:
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:46,610
Cause I'm follow your lead.
:
00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:47,630
I got stories.
:
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:49,820
For days.
:
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:53,040
And months or years even,
but, , no, this is lovely.
:
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,150
And thank you for having me.
:
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:54,630
Gosh.
:
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:55,230
Thank you.
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00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:57,540
Another new thing at 86 people.
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00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:01,230
Nancy don't even hesitate to say, yeah,
that's what I, when I asked her if she
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00:48:01,230 --> 00:48:04,260
would come on Clover club, so I just been.
:
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:05,640
The curiosity.
:
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:05,970
Yeah.
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00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:06,270
Yeah.
:
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:07,890
Yeah, we're doing this.
:
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,490
Yeah.
:
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:10,050
Why not.
:
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:11,220
I love it.
:
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:14,820
, well, thank you so much for tuning
into this episode of Clover club.
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00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:19,530
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Nancy, thank you again so
much and we'll chat later.
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00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:44,030
Bye bye.
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Yeah.
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I don't know about that.